[Homeroast] Need Advice on Brewer

Robert Foster foster49801 at gmail.com
Fri Aug 25 18:56:19 CDT 2017


Originally, I recall that the connected was $100 more than the Plus, but I suspect they had to discount them because of poor sales. I know I saw one on Woot or some similar site for less than $200.


On Aug 25, 2017, at 10:04 AM, John Nordling wrote:

> I know it's not a popular place to buy, but when my mom bought it on
> Amazon, the connected version was $15 more than the brazen plus (and both
> were womewhat lower in price than SM is asking for the Brazen plus).  So,
> not $100 different, for sure.  Had the cost differential been that big, I
> would have made sure she bought the plus.  $15 difference was a small
> enough price to pay for the novelty factor.
> 
> Thanks for the hard water tip.  Even after 6 brews, I'm noticing white
> flakes in my reservoir.  Guess I need to add descaler to my next green bean
> order (and wipe out the reservoir every couple days)
> 
> -John
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 9:38 AM Robert Foster <foster49801 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> I could easily see finding a good setting
>>> and getting someone who likes good coffee and is also a techniphobe set
>> up
>>> with a solid recipe and treating it like a Mr. Coffee - one button and
>> boom.
>> 
>> Exactly. IMO the "connected" feature is just another "Gee Whizz look what
>> I can do" feature that is basically pointless. Not to mention that it will
>> cost you an extra $100 for the connected version.
>> 
>> The original Brazen 1.0 had a ton of problems, primarily because of lower
>> quality valve components. Behmor stood behind the product and replaced mine
>> 3 or 4 times at no cost, even overnighting the last one to me. When my last
>> 1.0 died at least 2 years ago, I promptly bought the Plus. It has performed
>> flawlessly ever since.
>> 
>> One issue with the Brazen is the necessity of avoiding hard water, which
>> will scale up the components, especially the pulse brewing valve. I use a
>> Zero Water filter to filter my extremely hard water, and *IMPORTANT*
>> descale with citric acid every month or two. Somewhat of a PIA, however I'm
>> coffee OCD so I don't mind doing this in order to get great coffee. While I
>> don't expect it to last as long as my 20 year old Technivorm, if I get 3 or
>> 4 years use out of it before having to buy another one, I don't mind. As
>> you observe, at half the price of a Technivorm you can afford to replace it
>> twice as often, all the while drinking superior coffee.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 8:22 AM, John Nordling wrote:
>> 
>>> I just got a connected version of the Behmor.  (It was a gift from my
>>> parents).  I'm not fully sold on the connectedness of it adding any value
>>> vs. a standard brewer, but if I was going to hit the high points I've
>> found
>>> that Behmor could use for marketing:
>>> 
>>> 1) Regarding connectedness: My parents are visiting today, and I'm at
>>> work.  I ground coffee for them, programmed the brewer ahead of time from
>>> my phone (the app is pretty intuitive), and generally got it set up.
>> When
>>> they want coffee (or another pot, since I made some for me before anyone
>>> else was up), all they have to do is put the grounds in the basket, add
>>> water, and push the giant button on the front of it.  The nonconnected
>>> version is much more intimidating, because so many buttons - I presume it
>>> can do the same things though.  I could easily see finding a good setting
>>> and getting someone who likes good coffee and is also a techniphobe set
>> up
>>> with a solid recipe and treating it like a Mr. Coffee - one button and
>> boom.
>>> 
>>> 2) The alert I get on my phone when my coffee is ready is basically
>>> pointless.  But funny enough that I have left them turned on.  (I saw 20
>>> minutes ago from my office 20 miles away that my coffee is ready).
>>> 
>>> 3) It makes good coffee.  superb really.  I'm getting flavors from this
>>> Guatemalan (SM's greens, roasted to somewhere around half way between
>> first
>>> and second crack) that I only get on my best pourovers.  I have 1/2 a
>> dozen
>>> or less pots through it, but I'm getting consistency and quality that I
>>> don't always getin my pourovers.  I can get better coffee sometimes from
>> a
>>> pourover (I think), but I don't do it enough to have perfect technique,
>> so
>>> it's mostly luck.  Longevity of the brewer is yet to be determined.
>>> 
>>> Quality versus Technivorm - I really wanted a technivorm (I mean REALLY
>>> wanted one), but at half the price, with coffee this good, I am more than
>>> satisifed with the Behmor.  I've not had an SCAA certified drip brewer
>>> before, so I'm not qualified to comment beyond that on comparisons to
>> other
>>> brewers.  My last brewer (dead for a couple years now due to
>>> neglect-induced scale buildup that I have not been able to dissolve away
>> or
>>> find the right tool to take apart and physically chip away) was a
>> Cuisinart
>>> Grind 'n Brew.
>>> 
>>> -John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:08 PM Robert Foster <foster49801 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My Technivorm sits unused most days next to my Behmor Brazen Plus. The
>>>> Brazen allows extensive control over the brewing process: water
>>>> temperature, pulse brewing, ability to specify length of bloom time,
>>>> calibration for altitude, plus programmable start time for brewing.
>> That,
>>>> and the fact that once dialed in the coffee from the Brazen is superior
>> to
>>>> the Tech to my taste. The Brazen also costs less than the Tech.
>>>> 
>>>> I confess I don't understand the logic behind the "connected" version.
>>>> What's the difference between pushing buttons on your phone as opposed
>> to
>>>> pushing buttons on the coffee maker?
>>>> 
>>>> BTW why do you think the heater is going on the Tech? Have you descaled
>> it
>>>> thoroughly with citric acid or the like? Maybe the heating element is
>> just
>>>> coated with calcium/lime and descaling would remove that. 10 years is
>>>> nothing for a Tech.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 24, 2017, at 5:57 PM, Jon Rosen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> It looks like my Technivorm brewer is about to bite the dust after 10
>>>> years of faithful service; I think the heater is going. I’m waiting to
>> hear
>>>> back from Technivorm about the cost of repair, if they still have a
>>>> replacement heater. But, I’m inclined to replace it with a new brewer:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Another Technivorm?
>>>>> The Behmor Plus or the new Plus
>>>>> The Bonavita
>>>>> Another high tech drip brewer?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your suggestions are appreciated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jon
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