[Homeroast] Homeroast Digest, Vol 104, Issue 6

Lori & Paul lococlayco at gmail.com
Wed Sep 28 17:58:56 CDT 2016


15 years now with a Sylvia, timer goes on and turns the machine on at 6:30,
portafilter is in, I get up at 8 and have 2 Americanos, machine stays on
until 6:30 p.m., I have 1 or 2 more coffees at the most during the mid to
late afternoon, portafilter is always in, hot, ready to go- 15 YEARS!.  I
replace my gasket once a year.  I also worked in restaurants for 35 years
and the machines were always hot, portafilters in, coffee ground for the
shot.  Anyone tells you different, they don't really drink coffee. Paul

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>    1. Re: Portafilter in or out? (Sandy Andina)
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> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:42:40 -0500
> From: Sandy Andina <sandraandina at me.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Portafilter in or out?
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> I?ve been advised both ways: keep the PF in to keep it hot, store it
> outside to avoid gasket wear (and then lock it in and run a water shot or
> two to warm it up). But I?m not a pro, and have a prosumer machine. I lock
> mine in when I fire up the machine and take it off when I shut down.
> (Lately, I?ve been trying to avoid running up my electric bill, as I no
> longer pull shots all day). And since my machine is too big & heavy for me
> to service myself other than backflush cleaning (unlike my old Silvia, it?s
> a HX machine that should really be professionally descaled if at all), so I
> have it picked up and serviced annually. If I were curious, I?d have asked
> in a non-judgmental way why the shop-owner?s PFs were not locked in.
>
> But I draw the line at two truly amateurish practices: grinding and even
> pulling shots in advance.  At a coffeehouse where I used to sing (name,
> town & state omitted to protect the clueless), I stopped in the morning
> after the gig for a pick-me-up before heading home to Chicago. I ordered a
> cappuccino and was aghast to see a row of shot glasses with already-pulled
> (and crema-less) shots lined up on the shelf above the machine. I requested
> that my drink be prepared with a freshly-pulled shot, and the owner seemed
> like I was asking her to use a machine set aside just for me. I also didn?t
> hear the grinder whir, and looked across the counter only to discover that
> not only wasn?t she holding the portafilter beneath the doser, she was
> scooping ground coffee out of a jar into it and not even tamping. I asked
> why she was grinding beans and pulling shots so far in advance, and she
> replied, ?Efficiency. Saves time.? I scanned the room?at 9 am, my singing
> partner & I were the only customers. (This, at the only espresso bar in
> town). She anticipated my un-asked question, and continued, ?Everyone wants
> their cappuccino from the machine at the gas station, because they say it?s
> quicker, cheaper and tastes sweeter?.and my daughter is usually behind the
> counter and doesn?t know how to do all that fancy stuff.? (Said daughter
> was 14). She grudgingly made my drink from scratch (plunging the steam wand
> all the way into the milk pitcher?containing 2%, which was all they
> stocked?creating bubble-bath froth). It was horrible, though I didn?t
> grimace.  Not surprisingly, it went out of business less than two months
> later (citing shakedowns by BMI as the reason).
>
> When I was young, naive and living in Seattle?s U. District in the
> early-to-mid ?70s, I used to frequent the only place in the entire city to
> get espresso (as opposed to flip-drip stuff in Italian-oid restaurants),
> Last Exit On Brooklyn. I?d order flavored coffee drinks capped with whipped
> cream. And I recall (with horror now) that the baristas would scoop ground
> coffee from a big bowl, covered with Saran Wrap, on the counter. Hard to
> believe that Seattle, much less a university neighborhood, used to be an
> ?espresso desert.? (This was back when it had the only two Starbucks stores
> in the country, which sold only coffees, teas, chocolate, spices and home
> coffee-making supplies?mostly Chemex & Melitta and blade grinders).
> > On Sep 27, 2016, at 9:21 AM, John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > That's slightly different then :)
> >
> > But I still wouldn't have gone down that road.  I've never found a shop
> that will change anything.  I'll talk shop but never make suggestions
> unless I'm asked outright without leading questions.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On 9/27/2016 7:14 AM, Larry Dorman wrote:
> >> I didn't just jump in and say "Hey man, your coffee kind of sucks and
> you
> >> should really do 'x'."  :)  I spent some time with pleasantries and
> listing
> >> multiple things I really liked about the shop.  At first he thought I
> was
> >> an artist getting ready to ask if I could put something up.  Maybe I
> caught
> >> him at a bad time, but he basically prompted me to get to the point
> when I
> >> lead into asking if I could provide some feedback on the coffee.  I do
> like
> >> the idea of asking about the portafilters as a soft way to have that
> >> particular conversation.
> >>
> >> I have a nice home setup, so I have no need to go to this shop.
> However,
> >> my wife and I go there sometimes just to get out of our house to change
> the
> >> environment and talk.  If I'm going to be there taking up their space
> then
> >> I want to be a paying customer and I want to enjoy my drink.  :)
> There's
> >> also something about supporting the local coffee shop that is appealing
> to
> >> me.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the feedback!
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:52 AM, John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I guess I would have been offended too.
> >>>
> >>> I would call both of you wrong.
> >>>
> >>> I personally think you should have asked if he minded input and/or if
> he
> >>> would explain why he didn't keep the PF in.
> >>>
> >>> I think it is bunk not to keep the PF in for the reasons you mention.
> >>>
> >>> I would simply not order coffee there.
> >>>
> >>> Where I live, I have two places I will order coffee of any sort 1)
> because
> >>> they do it as I expect 2) because it is good (listed in no particular
> order
> >>> of importance).
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/27/2016 6:36 AM, Larry Dorman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> So...  there is a local coffee shop (Garland, TX) that has a decent
> >>>> location and aesthetic, but they are lacking in one critical area
> which is
> >>>> the quality of their coffee.  I actually dumped half of an americano
> from
> >>>> this shop once because it just wasn't enjoyable.  I like good coffee,
> but
> >>>> I
> >>>> do have some tolerance so for me to dump something is a statement.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, I'd love to help this shop get better.  When I was in there
> this
> >>>> weekend I noticed that they keep their portafilters laying on a tray
> on
> >>>> the
> >>>> counter instead of in the group when not in use.  It happened that the
> >>>> owner was in so I mentioned to him that he should keep them in the
> group
> >>>> to
> >>>> keep them hot and that it would improve the coffee.
> >>>>
> >>>> I clearly offended the owner.  :(  His first response was to let me
> know
> >>>> that he has four other award winning coffee shops.  His second
> response
> >>>> was
> >>>> to state that the manufacturer of the machine (La Spaziale.  I don't
> know
> >>>> the model, but it's a small two-group machine.) recommends against
> keeping
> >>>> the portafilters in the groups when not actively in-use.  His final
> >>>> response was that it didn't matter because he trains his folks to run
> a
> >>>> small amount water from the group through them before use.
> >>>>
> >>>> This doesn't ring true with what I've learned and what seems logical
> to
> >>>> me,
> >>>> but I do want to learn if I'm out in left field.  I can't come up
> with any
> >>>> harm in keeping the portafilters in the group.  I suppose if they're
> >>>> locked
> >>>> in tight then they *could* cause premature gasket wear.  However, if I
> >>>> were
> >>>> running a shop I'd have a plan for regular replacement regardless.
> >>>>
> >>>> Otherwise, it seems to me that running a small amount of water
> through the
> >>>> PF will only partially heat it... there is a lot of metal there and
> the
> >>>> water is only going to heat the immediate area.  The commercial
> machine
> >>>> should be able to handle running some water through the group, but
> that's
> >>>> still kind of like doing a cooling shot which isn't recommended for a
> >>>> dual-boiler machine.
> >>>>
> >>>> So... was I wrong (from a technical aspect) to suggest to the owner
> that
> >>>> he
> >>>> keep the portafilters in the groups between uses?
> >>>>
> >>>> The owner's contention was that he's just had some difficulty getting
> his
> >>>> staff fully trained due to timing and turnover.  In fairness, I did
> get
> >>>> another americano on this visit and it was fine.
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