[Homeroast] Homeroast Digest, Vol 105, Issue 2

Sandy Andina sandraandina at icloud.com
Mon Oct 24 16:46:26 CDT 2016


Indeed I am. Various private showcases at the FARM conferences at the Sheraton Iowa City this Thurs-Sat. And a concert at The Mill downtown in Iowa City, opening for Anne Hills 1pm Sun Oct 30!

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> On Oct 24, 2016, at 3:54 PM, John M. Howison <johnmhowison at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Is Sandy still singing?
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>>   1. Re: Portafilter in or out? (Sandy Andina) was Re: Homeroast
>>      Digest, Vol 104, Issue 6 (Andy Thomas)
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>> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 01:35:46 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Andy Thomas <adt0611 at yahoo.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Portafilter in or out? (Sandy Andina) was Re:
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>> Okay, except "...coffee ground for the shot." Ouch!
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>>      From: Lori & Paul <lococlayco at gmail.com>
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>> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Homeroast Digest, Vol 104, Issue 6
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>> 15 years now with a Sylvia, timer goes on and turns the machine on at 6:30,
>> portafilter is in, I get up at 8 and have 2 Americanos, machine stays on
>> until 6:30 p.m., I have 1 or 2 more coffees at the most during the mid to
>> late afternoon, portafilter is always in, hot, ready to go- 15 YEARS!.? I
>> replace my gasket once a year.? I also worked in restaurants for 35 years
>> and the machines were always hot, portafilters in, coffee ground for the
>> shot.? Anyone tells you different, they don't really drink coffee. Paul
>> 
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>>> ? ? 1. Re: Portafilter in or out? (Sandy Andina)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:42:40 -0500
>>> From: Sandy Andina <sandraandina at me.com>
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>>> I?ve been advised both ways: keep the PF in to keep it hot, store it
>>> outside to avoid gasket wear (and then lock it in and run a water shot or
>>> two to warm it up). But I?m not a pro, and have a prosumer machine. I
>> lock
>>> mine in when I fire up the machine and take it off when I shut down.
>>> (Lately, I?ve been trying to avoid running up my electric bill, as I no
>>> longer pull shots all day). And since my machine is too big & heavy for
>> me
>>> to service myself other than backflush cleaning (unlike my old Silvia,
>> it?s
>>> a HX machine that should really be professionally descaled if at all),
>> so I
>>> have it picked up and serviced annually. If I were curious, I?d have
>> asked
>>> in a non-judgmental way why the shop-owner?s PFs were not locked in.
>>> 
>>> But I draw the line at two truly amateurish practices: grinding and even
>>> pulling shots in advance.? At a coffeehouse where I used to sing (name,
>>> town & state omitted to protect the clueless), I stopped in the morning
>>> after the gig for a pick-me-up before heading home to Chicago. I ordered
>> a
>>> cappuccino and was aghast to see a row of shot glasses with
>> already-pulled
>>> (and crema-less) shots lined up on the shelf above the machine. I
>> requested
>>> that my drink be prepared with a freshly-pulled shot, and the owner
>> seemed
>>> like I was asking her to use a machine set aside just for me. I also
>> didn?t
>>> hear the grinder whir, and looked across the counter only to discover
>> that
>>> not only wasn?t she holding the portafilter beneath the doser, she was
>>> scooping ground coffee out of a jar into it and not even tamping. I asked
>>> why she was grinding beans and pulling shots so far in advance, and she
>>> replied, ?Efficiency. Saves time.? I scanned the room?at 9 am, my singing
>>> partner & I were the only customers. (This, at the only espresso bar in
>>> town). She anticipated my un-asked question, and continued, ?Everyone
>> wants
>>> their cappuccino from the machine at the gas station, because they say
>> it?s
>>> quicker, cheaper and tastes sweeter?.and my daughter is usually behind
>> the
>>> counter and doesn?t know how to do all that fancy stuff.? (Said daughter
>>> was 14). She grudgingly made my drink from scratch (plunging the steam
>> wand
>>> all the way into the milk pitcher?containing 2%, which was all they
>>> stocked?creating bubble-bath froth). It was horrible, though I didn?t
>>> grimace.? Not surprisingly, it went out of business less than two months
>>> later (citing shakedowns by BMI as the reason).
>>> 
>>> When I was young, naive and living in Seattle?s U. District in the
>>> early-to-mid ?70s, I used to frequent the only place in the entire city
>> to
>>> get espresso (as opposed to flip-drip stuff in Italian-oid restaurants),
>>> Last Exit On Brooklyn. I?d order flavored coffee drinks capped with
>> whipped
>>> cream. And I recall (with horror now) that the baristas would scoop
>> ground
>>> coffee from a big bowl, covered with Saran Wrap, on the counter. Hard to
>>> believe that Seattle, much less a university neighborhood, used to be an
>>> ?espresso desert.? (This was back when it had the only two Starbucks
>> stores
>>> in the country, which sold only coffees, teas, chocolate, spices and home
>>> coffee-making supplies?mostly Chemex & Melitta and blade grinders).
>>>> On Sep 27, 2016, at 9:21 AM, John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> That's slightly different then :)
>>>> 
>>>> But I still wouldn't have gone down that road.? I've never found a shop
>>> that will change anything.? I'll talk shop but never make suggestions
>>> unless I'm asked outright without leading questions.
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/27/2016 7:14 AM, Larry Dorman wrote:
>>>>> I didn't just jump in and say "Hey man, your coffee kind of sucks and
>>> you
>>>>> should really do 'x'."? :)? I spent some time with pleasantries and
>>> listing
>>>>> multiple things I really liked about the shop.? At first he thought I
>>> was
>>>>> an artist getting ready to ask if I could put something up.? Maybe I
>>> caught
>>>>> him at a bad time, but he basically prompted me to get to the point
>>> when I
>>>>> lead into asking if I could provide some feedback on the coffee.? I do
>>> like
>>>>> the idea of asking about the portafilters as a soft way to have that
>>>>> particular conversation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a nice home setup, so I have no need to go to this shop.
>>> However,
>>>>> my wife and I go there sometimes just to get out of our house to
>> change
>>> the
>>>>> environment and talk.? If I'm going to be there taking up their space
>>> then
>>>>> I want to be a paying customer and I want to enjoy my drink.? :)
>>> There's
>>>>> also something about supporting the local coffee shop that is
>> appealing
>>> to
>>>>> me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the feedback!
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:52 AM, John Nanci <
>> john at chocolatealchemy.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I guess I would have been offended too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would call both of you wrong.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I personally think you should have asked if he minded input and/or if
>>> he
>>>>>> would explain why he didn't keep the PF in.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think it is bunk not to keep the PF in for the reasons you mention.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would simply not order coffee there.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Where I live, I have two places I will order coffee of any sort 1)
>>> because
>>>>>> they do it as I expect 2) because it is good (listed in no particular
>>> order
>>>>>> of importance).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 9/27/2016 6:36 AM, Larry Dorman wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So...? there is a local coffee shop (Garland, TX) that has a decent
>>>>>>> location and aesthetic, but they are lacking in one critical area
>>> which is
>>>>>>> the quality of their coffee.? I actually dumped half of an americano
>>> from
>>>>>>> this shop once because it just wasn't enjoyable.? I like good
>> coffee,
>>> but
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> do have some tolerance so for me to dump something is a statement.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anyway, I'd love to help this shop get better.? When I was in there
>>> this
>>>>>>> weekend I noticed that they keep their portafilters laying on a tray
>>> on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> counter instead of in the group when not in use.? It happened that
>> the
>>>>>>> owner was in so I mentioned to him that he should keep them in the
>>> group
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> keep them hot and that it would improve the coffee.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I clearly offended the owner.? :(? His first response was to let me
>>> know
>>>>>>> that he has four other award winning coffee shops.? His second
>>> response
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> to state that the manufacturer of the machine (La Spaziale.? I don't
>>> know
>>>>>>> the model, but it's a small two-group machine.) recommends against
>>> keeping
>>>>>>> the portafilters in the groups when not actively in-use.? His final
>>>>>>> response was that it didn't matter because he trains his folks to
>> run
>>> a
>>>>>>> small amount water from the group through them before use.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This doesn't ring true with what I've learned and what seems logical
>>> to
>>>>>>> me,
>>>>>>> but I do want to learn if I'm out in left field.? I can't come up
>>> with any
>>>>>>> harm in keeping the portafilters in the group.? I suppose if they're
>>>>>>> locked
>>>>>>> in tight then they *could* cause premature gasket wear.? However,
>> if I
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> running a shop I'd have a plan for regular replacement regardless.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Otherwise, it seems to me that running a small amount of water
>>> through the
>>>>>>> PF will only partially heat it... there is a lot of metal there and
>>> the
>>>>>>> water is only going to heat the immediate area.? The commercial
>>> machine
>>>>>>> should be able to handle running some water through the group, but
>>> that's
>>>>>>> still kind of like doing a cooling shot which isn't recommended for
>> a
>>>>>>> dual-boiler machine.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So... was I wrong (from a technical aspect) to suggest to the owner
>>> that
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>> keep the portafilters in the groups between uses?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The owner's contention was that he's just had some difficulty
>> getting
>>> his
>>>>>>> staff fully trained due to timing and turnover.? In fairness, I did
>>> get
>>>>>>> another americano on this visit and it was fine.
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