[Homeroast] Homeroast Digest, Vol 105, Issue 2

John M. Howison johnmhowison at gmail.com
Mon Oct 24 15:54:30 CDT 2016


Is Sandy still singing?

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>    1. Re: Portafilter in or out? (Sandy Andina) was Re: Homeroast
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> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 01:35:46 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Andy Thomas <adt0611 at yahoo.com>
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> Okay, except "...coffee ground for the shot." Ouch!
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>       From: Lori & Paul <lococlayco at gmail.com>
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>  Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:58 PM
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> 15 years now with a Sylvia, timer goes on and turns the machine on at 6:30,
> portafilter is in, I get up at 8 and have 2 Americanos, machine stays on
> until 6:30 p.m., I have 1 or 2 more coffees at the most during the mid to
> late afternoon, portafilter is always in, hot, ready to go- 15 YEARS!.? I
> replace my gasket once a year.? I also worked in restaurants for 35 years
> and the machines were always hot, portafilters in, coffee ground for the
> shot.? Anyone tells you different, they don't really drink coffee. Paul
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> >? ? 1. Re: Portafilter in or out? (Sandy Andina)
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> > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:42:40 -0500
> > From: Sandy Andina <sandraandina at me.com>
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> > Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Portafilter in or out?
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> > I?ve been advised both ways: keep the PF in to keep it hot, store it
> > outside to avoid gasket wear (and then lock it in and run a water shot or
> > two to warm it up). But I?m not a pro, and have a prosumer machine. I
> lock
> > mine in when I fire up the machine and take it off when I shut down.
> > (Lately, I?ve been trying to avoid running up my electric bill, as I no
> > longer pull shots all day). And since my machine is too big & heavy for
> me
> > to service myself other than backflush cleaning (unlike my old Silvia,
> it?s
> > a HX machine that should really be professionally descaled if at all),
> so I
> > have it picked up and serviced annually. If I were curious, I?d have
> asked
> > in a non-judgmental way why the shop-owner?s PFs were not locked in.
> >
> > But I draw the line at two truly amateurish practices: grinding and even
> > pulling shots in advance.? At a coffeehouse where I used to sing (name,
> > town & state omitted to protect the clueless), I stopped in the morning
> > after the gig for a pick-me-up before heading home to Chicago. I ordered
> a
> > cappuccino and was aghast to see a row of shot glasses with
> already-pulled
> > (and crema-less) shots lined up on the shelf above the machine. I
> requested
> > that my drink be prepared with a freshly-pulled shot, and the owner
> seemed
> > like I was asking her to use a machine set aside just for me. I also
> didn?t
> > hear the grinder whir, and looked across the counter only to discover
> that
> > not only wasn?t she holding the portafilter beneath the doser, she was
> > scooping ground coffee out of a jar into it and not even tamping. I asked
> > why she was grinding beans and pulling shots so far in advance, and she
> > replied, ?Efficiency. Saves time.? I scanned the room?at 9 am, my singing
> > partner & I were the only customers. (This, at the only espresso bar in
> > town). She anticipated my un-asked question, and continued, ?Everyone
> wants
> > their cappuccino from the machine at the gas station, because they say
> it?s
> > quicker, cheaper and tastes sweeter?.and my daughter is usually behind
> the
> > counter and doesn?t know how to do all that fancy stuff.? (Said daughter
> > was 14). She grudgingly made my drink from scratch (plunging the steam
> wand
> > all the way into the milk pitcher?containing 2%, which was all they
> > stocked?creating bubble-bath froth). It was horrible, though I didn?t
> > grimace.? Not surprisingly, it went out of business less than two months
> > later (citing shakedowns by BMI as the reason).
> >
> > When I was young, naive and living in Seattle?s U. District in the
> > early-to-mid ?70s, I used to frequent the only place in the entire city
> to
> > get espresso (as opposed to flip-drip stuff in Italian-oid restaurants),
> > Last Exit On Brooklyn. I?d order flavored coffee drinks capped with
> whipped
> > cream. And I recall (with horror now) that the baristas would scoop
> ground
> > coffee from a big bowl, covered with Saran Wrap, on the counter. Hard to
> > believe that Seattle, much less a university neighborhood, used to be an
> > ?espresso desert.? (This was back when it had the only two Starbucks
> stores
> > in the country, which sold only coffees, teas, chocolate, spices and home
> > coffee-making supplies?mostly Chemex & Melitta and blade grinders).
> > > On Sep 27, 2016, at 9:21 AM, John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > That's slightly different then :)
> > >
> > > But I still wouldn't have gone down that road.? I've never found a shop
> > that will change anything.? I'll talk shop but never make suggestions
> > unless I'm asked outright without leading questions.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/27/2016 7:14 AM, Larry Dorman wrote:
> > >> I didn't just jump in and say "Hey man, your coffee kind of sucks and
> > you
> > >> should really do 'x'."? :)? I spent some time with pleasantries and
> > listing
> > >> multiple things I really liked about the shop.? At first he thought I
> > was
> > >> an artist getting ready to ask if I could put something up.? Maybe I
> > caught
> > >> him at a bad time, but he basically prompted me to get to the point
> > when I
> > >> lead into asking if I could provide some feedback on the coffee.? I do
> > like
> > >> the idea of asking about the portafilters as a soft way to have that
> > >> particular conversation.
> > >>
> > >> I have a nice home setup, so I have no need to go to this shop.
> > However,
> > >> my wife and I go there sometimes just to get out of our house to
> change
> > the
> > >> environment and talk.? If I'm going to be there taking up their space
> > then
> > >> I want to be a paying customer and I want to enjoy my drink.? :)
> > There's
> > >> also something about supporting the local coffee shop that is
> appealing
> > to
> > >> me.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for the feedback!
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:52 AM, John Nanci <
> john at chocolatealchemy.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I guess I would have been offended too.
> > >>>
> > >>> I would call both of you wrong.
> > >>>
> > >>> I personally think you should have asked if he minded input and/or if
> > he
> > >>> would explain why he didn't keep the PF in.
> > >>>
> > >>> I think it is bunk not to keep the PF in for the reasons you mention.
> > >>>
> > >>> I would simply not order coffee there.
> > >>>
> > >>> Where I live, I have two places I will order coffee of any sort 1)
> > because
> > >>> they do it as I expect 2) because it is good (listed in no particular
> > order
> > >>> of importance).
> > >>>
> > >>> John
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 9/27/2016 6:36 AM, Larry Dorman wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> So...? there is a local coffee shop (Garland, TX) that has a decent
> > >>>> location and aesthetic, but they are lacking in one critical area
> > which is
> > >>>> the quality of their coffee.? I actually dumped half of an americano
> > from
> > >>>> this shop once because it just wasn't enjoyable.? I like good
> coffee,
> > but
> > >>>> I
> > >>>> do have some tolerance so for me to dump something is a statement.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Anyway, I'd love to help this shop get better.? When I was in there
> > this
> > >>>> weekend I noticed that they keep their portafilters laying on a tray
> > on
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> counter instead of in the group when not in use.? It happened that
> the
> > >>>> owner was in so I mentioned to him that he should keep them in the
> > group
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> keep them hot and that it would improve the coffee.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I clearly offended the owner.? :(? His first response was to let me
> > know
> > >>>> that he has four other award winning coffee shops.? His second
> > response
> > >>>> was
> > >>>> to state that the manufacturer of the machine (La Spaziale.? I don't
> > know
> > >>>> the model, but it's a small two-group machine.) recommends against
> > keeping
> > >>>> the portafilters in the groups when not actively in-use.? His final
> > >>>> response was that it didn't matter because he trains his folks to
> run
> > a
> > >>>> small amount water from the group through them before use.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This doesn't ring true with what I've learned and what seems logical
> > to
> > >>>> me,
> > >>>> but I do want to learn if I'm out in left field.? I can't come up
> > with any
> > >>>> harm in keeping the portafilters in the group.? I suppose if they're
> > >>>> locked
> > >>>> in tight then they *could* cause premature gasket wear.? However,
> if I
> > >>>> were
> > >>>> running a shop I'd have a plan for regular replacement regardless.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Otherwise, it seems to me that running a small amount of water
> > through the
> > >>>> PF will only partially heat it... there is a lot of metal there and
> > the
> > >>>> water is only going to heat the immediate area.? The commercial
> > machine
> > >>>> should be able to handle running some water through the group, but
> > that's
> > >>>> still kind of like doing a cooling shot which isn't recommended for
> a
> > >>>> dual-boiler machine.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So... was I wrong (from a technical aspect) to suggest to the owner
> > that
> > >>>> he
> > >>>> keep the portafilters in the groups between uses?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The owner's contention was that he's just had some difficulty
> getting
> > his
> > >>>> staff fully trained due to timing and turnover.? In fairness, I did
> > get
> > >>>> another americano on this visit and it was fine.
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