[Homeroast] Flair Espresso Maker

Brian Kamnetz bkamnetz at gmail.com
Sat Nov 12 14:36:51 CST 2016


Very nicely-done review. Thorough! Will be a great help to many people.

Brian

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com>
wrote:

> For those interested I was able to review the Flair and put a review on
> Home-Barista and Coffeegeek.  Tried SM forum but I wasn't signed up and
> it's not been approved for over a week.
>
> http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machines/716332#716332
>
> He is going to be adding a screen.
>
> BTW, a couple people have mentioned keeping clean and de-mineralizing.  I
> can't see how that is ever going to be an issue.  Since water is never
> sitting in any parts there should never been any build up at all.  One
> quick rinse and it's done.
>
> John
>
>
>
> On 11/1/2016 1:31 PM, Brian Kamnetz wrote:
>
>> Thanks, John.
>>
>> Speaking of the screen, as long as it works well without the screen, to me
>> it seems preferable to not have the screen because it would be another
>> part
>> to keep clean, de-mineralized, etc.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 3:12 PM, John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I asked him about the mixing, and here is his reply.
>>>
>>> I appreciate you being a designer and probably an espresso enthusiast as
>>>
>>>> well. I had a screen in my first prototypes for the first 2 years. As I
>>>> went through a lot of trial and error development, I found out that, at
>>>> least for the specific design that we have, having the screen on the
>>>> top of
>>>> the tamped grounds makes no difference. The metrics were the taste, the
>>>> appearance, the aroma, and the crema.
>>>>
>>>>   You may think that this is impossible, but there are some striking
>>>> differences in design between the Flair brewing head and brewing heads
>>>> of
>>>> conventional espresso machines. Our portafilter has a smaller diameter
>>>> and
>>>> it is twice as deep as regular espresso machines portafilters. The
>>>> surface
>>>> and volume of grounds immediately exposed to water is significantly
>>>> smaller.
>>>>
>>>>   Sure there is some floating of grounds in the beginning of the
>>>> extraction, but that is compensated by the sudden spike of pressure the
>>>> happens in the Flair. The pressure goes from 1 BAR to 12-16 BAR almost
>>>> instantaneously. There is no air in our pressure chamber; none. The
>>>> piston
>>>> is directly on the top of the hot water, and as you press the lever
>>>> down,
>>>> you immediately build the pressure that then will stay constant all the
>>>> through the extraction.
>>>>
>>>>   By removing the screen, we were also able to give a final push on the
>>>> top of the puck, and that worked like a charm.
>>>>
>>>> I know it is hard to accept that the screen can be removed without
>>>> causing loss of quality, so I don’t blame you for being skeptical. But
>>>> trust me, with the Flair, it worked best without the screen.
>>>>
>>>> And he also further mentioned that if there was enough desire for a
>>>>
>>> screen, then he didn't see an issue adding one back.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/1/2016 9:13 AM, Greg Kerns wrote:
>>>
>>> In looking at this, I am not sure it is much different than an aeropress,
>>>> except a fancier design with a lever.  From the video, the water looks
>>>> like
>>>> it mixes with the grind prior to being pulled, which is the same
>>>> aeropress
>>>> concept.  Cool, maybe if you like gadgets, but not sure it would pass as
>>>> more than that.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/flairespresso/flair-espresso-maker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Homeroast [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com]
>>>> On Behalf Of John Nanci
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 11:47 AM
>>>> To: A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>>>> list, available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html <
>>>> homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Flair Espresso Maker
>>>>
>>>> Ditto.  Worst case, kickstarter.com and search for espresso. It's the
>>>> first hit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/1/2016 8:37 AM, Barbara C. Greenspon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Try it again.  I just did, and it worked again for me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Scace, Gregory E. Mr. (Fed) <
>>>>>
>>>>>> gregory.scace at nist.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bad link for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Homeroast [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>>>>>> ]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of John Nanci
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:00 AM
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>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Flair Espresso Maker
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's great.  I have not yet, but I'm going to be pulling the trigger
>>>>>> for 2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/1/2016 7:10 AM, Barbara C. Greenspon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whew!  Jumped right in on that one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It looks great and like it would be fun to use.  Never did a
>>>>>>> kickstarter thing before, but gotta start somewhere.  Hope it works.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the input.  We were intrigued.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 6:37 AM, John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ran across this the other day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/flairespresso/flair-esp
>>>>>>>> resso-maker/description
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have been having a nice conversation with the inventor.  I like the
>>>>>>>> thought and care he has put into it and it's damn hard to beat the
>>>>>>>> price
>>>>>>>> point for checking one out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
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