[Homeroast] Flair Espresso Maker

Barbara C. Greenspon lilysownahmah at greensponassociates.com
Fri Nov 11 13:33:10 CST 2016


Good for you!  Thanks.

Barbara


> On Nov 11, 2016, at 1:30 PM, John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com> wrote:
> 
> For those interested I was able to review the Flair and put a review on Home-Barista and Coffeegeek.  Tried SM forum but I wasn't signed up and it's not been approved for over a week.
> 
> http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machines/716332#716332
> 
> He is going to be adding a screen.
> 
> BTW, a couple people have mentioned keeping clean and de-mineralizing.  I can't see how that is ever going to be an issue.  Since water is never sitting in any parts there should never been any build up at all.  One quick rinse and it's done.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On 11/1/2016 1:31 PM, Brian Kamnetz wrote:
>> Thanks, John.
>> 
>> Speaking of the screen, as long as it works well without the screen, to me
>> it seems preferable to not have the screen because it would be another part
>> to keep clean, de-mineralized, etc.
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 3:12 PM, John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I asked him about the mixing, and here is his reply.
>>> 
>>> I appreciate you being a designer and probably an espresso enthusiast as
>>>> well. I had a screen in my first prototypes for the first 2 years. As I
>>>> went through a lot of trial and error development, I found out that, at
>>>> least for the specific design that we have, having the screen on the top of
>>>> the tamped grounds makes no difference. The metrics were the taste, the
>>>> appearance, the aroma, and the crema.
>>>> 
>>>>  You may think that this is impossible, but there are some striking
>>>> differences in design between the Flair brewing head and brewing heads of
>>>> conventional espresso machines. Our portafilter has a smaller diameter and
>>>> it is twice as deep as regular espresso machines portafilters. The surface
>>>> and volume of grounds immediately exposed to water is significantly smaller.
>>>> 
>>>>  Sure there is some floating of grounds in the beginning of the
>>>> extraction, but that is compensated by the sudden spike of pressure the
>>>> happens in the Flair. The pressure goes from 1 BAR to 12-16 BAR almost
>>>> instantaneously. There is no air in our pressure chamber; none. The piston
>>>> is directly on the top of the hot water, and as you press the lever down,
>>>> you immediately build the pressure that then will stay constant all the
>>>> through the extraction.
>>>> 
>>>>  By removing the screen, we were also able to give a final push on the
>>>> top of the puck, and that worked like a charm.
>>>> 
>>>> I know it is hard to accept that the screen can be removed without
>>>> causing loss of quality, so I don’t blame you for being skeptical. But
>>>> trust me, with the Flair, it worked best without the screen.
>>>> 
>>>> And he also further mentioned that if there was enough desire for a
>>> screen, then he didn't see an issue adding one back.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/1/2016 9:13 AM, Greg Kerns wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In looking at this, I am not sure it is much different than an aeropress,
>>>> except a fancier design with a lever.  From the video, the water looks like
>>>> it mixes with the grind prior to being pulled, which is the same aeropress
>>>> concept.  Cool, maybe if you like gadgets, but not sure it would pass as
>>>> more than that.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/flairespresso/flair-espresso-maker
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Homeroast [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com]
>>>> On Behalf Of John Nanci
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 11:47 AM
>>>> To: A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>>>> list, available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html <
>>>> homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Flair Espresso Maker
>>>> 
>>>> Ditto.  Worst case, kickstarter.com and search for espresso. It's the
>>>> first hit.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/1/2016 8:37 AM, Barbara C. Greenspon wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Try it again.  I just did, and it worked again for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Scace, Gregory E. Mr. (Fed) <
>>>>>> gregory.scace at nist.gov> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bad link for me.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Homeroast [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of John Nanci
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:00 AM
>>>>>> To: A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>>>>>> list, available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html <
>>>>>> homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Flair Espresso Maker
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's great.  I have not yet, but I'm going to be pulling the trigger
>>>>>> for 2.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/1/2016 7:10 AM, Barbara C. Greenspon wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Whew!  Jumped right in on that one.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It looks great and like it would be fun to use.  Never did a
>>>>>>> kickstarter thing before, but gotta start somewhere.  Hope it works.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for the input.  We were intrigued.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 6:37 AM, John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I ran across this the other day.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/flairespresso/flair-esp
>>>>>>>> resso-maker/description
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Have been having a nice conversation with the inventor.  I like the
>>>>>>>> thought and care he has put into it and it's damn hard to beat the price
>>>>>>>> point for checking one out.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>> 
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