[Homeroast] Homeroast Digest, Vol 102, Issue 4

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Wed Jul 20 13:32:30 CDT 2016


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> Today's Topics:
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>   1. Espresso Machine (Larry Dorman)
>   2. Re: Espresso Machine (Ben Treichel)
>   3. Re: Espresso Machine (Greg Hollrigel)
>   4. Re: Espresso Machine (Peter Louton)
>   5. Re: Espresso Machine (Sandy Andina)
>   6. Re: Espresso Machine (miKe mcKoffee)
>   7. Re: Espresso Machine (Larry Dorman)
>   8. Re: Espresso Machine (Larry Dorman)
>   9. Re: Espresso Machine (Phil Palmintere)
>  10. Re: Espresso Machine (Larry Dorman)
>  11. Re: Espresso Machine (Sandy Andina)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:26:19 -0500
> From: Larry Dorman <ldorman at gmail.com>
> To: "Sweet Maria's List" <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
> Subject: [Homeroast] Espresso Machine
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> Has Sweet Maria's all but gotten out of the espresso machine market?  I'm
> looking to get a new machine and I only see two on their site. !?!
> 
> That said...  I have a budget of $2500 or under to pick up a new machine.
> I want it to be something that is highly serviceable.  I'm good with either
> HX or dual boiler.  I'm on the fence on whether to do plumbed or
> free-standing, with the probability being that I go with free-standing.  I
> do a lot of milk based drinks, so steaming quality/performance is
> important.  I tend to make 2-5 drinks once to twice a day...  I don't mind
> having to fill up the reservoir and dump the waste at the beginning/end of
> each session, but I shouldn't have to stop in the middle of the 5 drinks.
> 
> I have a fair amount of clearance so any machine that isn't crazy tall will
> fit.  (I'm replacing a Quick Mill Andreja Premium which fit fine, for
> reference.)
> 
> I already have a capable grinder (super jolly in excellent condition), so
> that shouldn't be a limiting factor.
> 
> Anyone have any machines they recommend for or against?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:52:32 -0500
> From: Ben Treichel <btreichel at gmail.com>
> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>    list,    available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
>    <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso Machine
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> I was happy with my Feama Compact S, there seems be a nice new one out.
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2016 7:28 PM, "Larry Dorman" <ldorman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Has Sweet Maria's all but gotten out of the espresso machine market?  I'm
>> looking to get a new machine and I only see two on their site. !?!
>> 
>> That said...  I have a budget of $2500 or under to pick up a new machine.
>> I want it to be something that is highly serviceable.  I'm good with either
>> HX or dual boiler.  I'm on the fence on whether to do plumbed or
>> free-standing, with the probability being that I go with free-standing.  I
>> do a lot of milk based drinks, so steaming quality/performance is
>> important.  I tend to make 2-5 drinks once to twice a day...  I don't mind
>> having to fill up the reservoir and dump the waste at the beginning/end of
>> each session, but I shouldn't have to stop in the middle of the 5 drinks.
>> 
>> I have a fair amount of clearance so any machine that isn't crazy tall will
>> fit.  (I'm replacing a Quick Mill Andreja Premium which fit fine, for
>> reference.)
>> 
>> I already have a capable grinder (super jolly in excellent condition), so
>> that shouldn't be a limiting factor.
>> 
>> Anyone have any machines they recommend for or against?
>> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:04:54 -0700
> From: Greg Hollrigel <ghollrigel at gmail.com>
> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>    list,    available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
>    <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso Machine
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> I used someones Alex Duetto II and I loved that machine.   I think they're
> on version 3 now, but version 2 was great.
> 
> If I didn't have good results with my Salvatore (which is too noisy), I
> would consider the Duetto.  My next one will be a rotary pump for sure.
> 
> Greg
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Ben Treichel <btreichel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I was happy with my Feama Compact S, there seems be a nice new one out.
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2016 7:28 PM, "Larry Dorman" <ldorman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has Sweet Maria's all but gotten out of the espresso machine market?  I'm
>>> looking to get a new machine and I only see two on their site. !?!
>>> 
>>> That said...  I have a budget of $2500 or under to pick up a new machine.
>>> I want it to be something that is highly serviceable.  I'm good with
>> either
>>> HX or dual boiler.  I'm on the fence on whether to do plumbed or
>>> free-standing, with the probability being that I go with free-standing.
>> I
>>> do a lot of milk based drinks, so steaming quality/performance is
>>> important.  I tend to make 2-5 drinks once to twice a day...  I don't
>> mind
>>> having to fill up the reservoir and dump the waste at the beginning/end
>> of
>>> each session, but I shouldn't have to stop in the middle of the 5 drinks.
>>> 
>>> I have a fair amount of clearance so any machine that isn't crazy tall
>> will
>>> fit.  (I'm replacing a Quick Mill Andreja Premium which fit fine, for
>>> reference.)
>>> 
>>> I already have a capable grinder (super jolly in excellent condition), so
>>> that shouldn't be a limiting factor.
>>> 
>>> Anyone have any machines they recommend for or against?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Homeroast mailing list
>>> Homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:15:40 -0400
> From: Peter Louton <peter at midwestbicycleworks.com>
> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>    list,    available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
>    <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso Machine
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> I love my ECM Giotto. I just need to use it more. 
> 
> Peter
> 
> Sent from somewhere
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Greg Hollrigel <ghollrigel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I used someones Alex Duetto II and I loved that machine.   I think they're
>> on version 3 now, but version 2 was great.
>> 
>> If I didn't have good results with my Salvatore (which is too noisy), I
>> would consider the Duetto.  My next one will be a rotary pump for sure.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Ben Treichel <btreichel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was happy with my Feama Compact S, there seems be a nice new one out.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 19, 2016 7:28 PM, "Larry Dorman" <ldorman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Has Sweet Maria's all but gotten out of the espresso machine market?  I'm
>>>> looking to get a new machine and I only see two on their site. !?!
>>>> 
>>>> That said...  I have a budget of $2500 or under to pick up a new machine.
>>>> I want it to be something that is highly serviceable.  I'm good with
>>> either
>>>> HX or dual boiler.  I'm on the fence on whether to do plumbed or
>>>> free-standing, with the probability being that I go with free-standing.
>>> I
>>>> do a lot of milk based drinks, so steaming quality/performance is
>>>> important.  I tend to make 2-5 drinks once to twice a day...  I don't
>>> mind
>>>> having to fill up the reservoir and dump the waste at the beginning/end
>>> of
>>>> each session, but I shouldn't have to stop in the middle of the 5 drinks.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a fair amount of clearance so any machine that isn't crazy tall
>>> will
>>>> fit.  (I'm replacing a Quick Mill Andreja Premium which fit fine, for
>>>> reference.)
>>>> 
>>>> I already have a capable grinder (super jolly in excellent condition), so
>>>> that shouldn't be a limiting factor.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone have any machines they recommend for or against?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Homeroast mailing list
>>>> Homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
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>>> Forum</a>
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:14:48 -0500
> From: Sandy Andina <sandraandina at me.com>
> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>    list,    available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
>    <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso Machine
> Message-ID: <942CDB14-791E-4B8C-8080-A2234E220887 at me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> I love my freestanding LaCora, which is an Andreja Premium with some upgrades that Quickmill made for Cora Italian Specialties. Have had it 7 years, and had it serviced only twice. Its heat exchanger is fine for me?I?ve never run out of steam, so I don?t need a dual boiler. I don?t use it constantly (only a few times a day) and it?s in the kitchen nowhere near any bedrooms?so the vibe pump is fine. Maybe one day I?ll have Cora PID it when it?s service time. The tank is plenty big?I test its levels with a long cooking chopstick (as a dipstick) and simply top it up.
>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Peter Louton <peter at midwestbicycleworks.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I love my ECM Giotto. I just need to use it more. 
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> Sent from somewhere
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Greg Hollrigel <ghollrigel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I used someones Alex Duetto II and I loved that machine.   I think they're
>>> on version 3 now, but version 2 was great.
>>> 
>>> If I didn't have good results with my Salvatore (which is too noisy), I
>>> would consider the Duetto.  My next one will be a rotary pump for sure.
>>> 
>>> Greg
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Ben Treichel <btreichel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I was happy with my Feama Compact S, there seems be a nice new one out.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2016 7:28 PM, "Larry Dorman" <ldorman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Has Sweet Maria's all but gotten out of the espresso machine market?  I'm
>>>>> looking to get a new machine and I only see two on their site. !?!
>>>>> 
>>>>> That said...  I have a budget of $2500 or under to pick up a new machine.
>>>>> I want it to be something that is highly serviceable.  I'm good with
>>>> either
>>>>> HX or dual boiler.  I'm on the fence on whether to do plumbed or
>>>>> free-standing, with the probability being that I go with free-standing.
>>>> I
>>>>> do a lot of milk based drinks, so steaming quality/performance is
>>>>> important.  I tend to make 2-5 drinks once to twice a day...  I don't
>>>> mind
>>>>> having to fill up the reservoir and dump the waste at the beginning/end
>>>> of
>>>>> each session, but I shouldn't have to stop in the middle of the 5 drinks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a fair amount of clearance so any machine that isn't crazy tall
>>>> will
>>>>> fit.  (I'm replacing a Quick Mill Andreja Premium which fit fine, for
>>>>> reference.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I already have a capable grinder (super jolly in excellent condition), so
>>>>> that shouldn't be a limiting factor.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyone have any machines they recommend for or against?
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Homeroast mailing list
>>>>> Homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>>>> http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>>>>> <a href="http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/forum/">Sweet Maria's
>>>> Forum</a>
>>>>> <a href="http://www.sweetmarias.com/library">Our new Coffee Library</a>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Homeroast mailing list
>>>> Homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>>>> 
>>>> http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>>>> <a href="http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/forum/">Sweet Maria's Forum</a>
>>>> <a href="http://www.sweetmarias.com/library">Our new Coffee Library</a>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> <a href="http://www.sweetmarias.com/library">Our new Coffee Library</a>
>> 
>> 
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> 
> Peace & Song, 
> Sandy Andina
> www.sandyandina.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 22:32:38 -0700
> From: "miKe mcKoffee" <mckona at comcast.net>
> To: "'A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>    list,    available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html'"
>    <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso Machine
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> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I highly recommend you check out Clive Coffee and talk to Ben. And HIGHLY
> recommend you upgrade to a switchable tank/plumb machine, DB if budget
> allows. Many solid machine options and unless getting into profiling machine
> really not that much functional differences in $2-3k prosumer machines.  
> 
> Once you run plumbed you'll never go back. And it's nice to have the tank
> option to take with somewhere like a long weekend at the beach or friends
> party or whatever. Oh and plumbed doesn't have to be house water lines. I'm
> currently running my Vesuvius plumbed with Flojet drawing from 5 gallon
> water bottle to accumulator to machine. Drain plumbed to 2nd water bottle.
> I'll be running my Slayer when it finally arrives same way. (Ordered in May,
> notified last week my build was done and ready to ship, ETA by end of week
> :-)
> 
> Slave to the Bean miKe mcKoffee
> www.CompassCoffeeRoasting.com
> URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
> http://www.mckoffee.com/
> 
> Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
> first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
> found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Homeroast [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com] On
> Behalf Of Larry Dorman
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 5:26 PM
> To: Sweet Maria's List
> Subject: [Homeroast] Espresso Machine
> 
> Has Sweet Maria's all but gotten out of the espresso machine market?  I'm
> looking to get a new machine and I only see two on their site. !?!
> 
> That said...  I have a budget of $2500 or under to pick up a new machine.
> I want it to be something that is highly serviceable.  I'm good with either
> HX or dual boiler.  I'm on the fence on whether to do plumbed or
> free-standing, with the probability being that I go with free-standing.  I
> do a lot of milk based drinks, so steaming quality/performance is important.
> I tend to make 2-5 drinks once to twice a day...  I don't mind having to
> fill up the reservoir and dump the waste at the beginning/end of each
> session, but I shouldn't have to stop in the middle of the 5 drinks.
> 
> I have a fair amount of clearance so any machine that isn't crazy tall will
> fit.  (I'm replacing a Quick Mill Andreja Premium which fit fine, for
> reference.)
> 
> I already have a capable grinder (super jolly in excellent condition), so
> that shouldn't be a limiting factor.
> 
> Anyone have any machines they recommend for or against?
> _______________________________________________
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> href="http://www.sweetmarias.com/library">Our new Coffee Library</a>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:37:06 -0500
> From: Larry Dorman <ldorman at gmail.com>
> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>    list,    available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
>    <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso Machine
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> 
> I'm seriously considering the La Spaziale S1 Dream T
> <https://www.chriscoffee.com/s1-dream-espresso-machine-p/s1-dream-t.htm>
> with the pre-infuser.  It's a dual boiler and has gotten some really good
> reviews.  Does anyone have any experience with this machine?
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Sandy Andina <sandraandina at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I love my freestanding LaCora, which is an Andreja Premium with some
>> upgrades that Quickmill made for Cora Italian Specialties. Have had it 7
>> years, and had it serviced only twice. Its heat exchanger is fine for
>> me?I?ve never run out of steam, so I don?t need a dual boiler. I don?t use
>> it constantly (only a few times a day) and it?s in the kitchen nowhere near
>> any bedrooms?so the vibe pump is fine. Maybe one day I?ll have Cora PID it
>> when it?s service time. The tank is plenty big?I test its levels with a
>> long cooking chopstick (as a dipstick) and simply top it up.
>>>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Peter Louton <peter at midwestbicycleworks.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love my ECM Giotto. I just need to use it more.
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> Sent from somewhere
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Greg Hollrigel <ghollrigel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I used someones Alex Duetto II and I loved that machine.   I think
>> they're
>>>> on version 3 now, but version 2 was great.
>>>> 
>>>> If I didn't have good results with my Salvatore (which is too noisy), I
>>>> would consider the Duetto.  My next one will be a rotary pump for sure.
>>>> 
>>>> Greg
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Ben Treichel <btreichel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was happy with my Feama Compact S, there seems be a nice new one out.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2016 7:28 PM, "Larry Dorman" <ldorman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Has Sweet Maria's all but gotten out of the espresso machine market?
>> I'm
>>>>>> looking to get a new machine and I only see two on their site. !?!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That said...  I have a budget of $2500 or under to pick up a new
>> machine.
>>>>>> I want it to be something that is highly serviceable.  I'm good with
>>>>> either
>>>>>> HX or dual boiler.  I'm on the fence on whether to do plumbed or
>>>>>> free-standing, with the probability being that I go with
>> free-standing.
>>>>> I
>>>>>> do a lot of milk based drinks, so steaming quality/performance is
>>>>>> important.  I tend to make 2-5 drinks once to twice a day...  I don't
>>>>> mind
>>>>>> having to fill up the reservoir and dump the waste at the
>> beginning/end
>>>>> of
>>>>>> each session, but I shouldn't have to stop in the middle of the 5
>> drinks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a fair amount of clearance so any machine that isn't crazy tall
>>>>> will
>>>>>> fit.  (I'm replacing a Quick Mill Andreja Premium which fit fine, for
>>>>>> reference.)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I already have a capable grinder (super jolly in excellent
>> condition), so
>>>>>> that shouldn't be a limiting factor.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyone have any machines they recommend for or against?
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Homeroast mailing list
>>>>>> Homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>> http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>>>>>> <a href="http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/forum/">Sweet Maria's
>>>>> Forum</a>
>>>>>> <a href="http://www.sweetmarias.com/library">Our new Coffee
>> Library</a>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Homeroast mailing list
>>>>> Homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
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>>>>> <a href="http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/forum/">Sweet Maria's
>> Forum</a>
>>>>> <a href="http://www.sweetmarias.com/library">Our new Coffee
>> Library</a>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Forum</a>
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>>> 
>>> 
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>> Forum</a>
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>> 
>> Peace & Song,
>> Sandy Andina
>> www.sandyandina.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:47:45 -0500
> From: Larry Dorman <ldorman at gmail.com>
> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>    list,    available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
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> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso Machine
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> I bought my first machine from Clive and loved the person I worked with.
> He left and I've never had the same experience with them.  I even dropped
> by their store last year when I was visiting Portland and they didn't seem
> to care at all that I was one of their customers who actually made a
> special trip to their store to meet them.  It also seems like a lot of the
> machines they sell actually come from Chris' Coffee Service, so I'm
> thinking about just going straight to them.  I'm not beyond being talked
> back into Clive.
> 
> The idea of bottles for the 'plumbing' is interesting.  I've kind of
> avoided it because it's already busy under my sink and didn't want to have
> to cut holes in the counter, run water/waste lines, etc.  I think the
> machine I'm leaning strongly towards at the moment has two models - one
> that is strictly plumbed and one that is strictly not plumbed.  (La
> Spaziale Dream)  I wouldn't be moving my machine around, so plumbed only
> wouldn't be the end of the world for me.  What is a 'Flojet'?  Is that to
> pull the water out of the bottle and provide water pressure to the machine?
> 
> Sadly, I pretty much destroyed my existing machine, which I loved, with
> hard water.  How careful would I have to be if I went the pseudo plumbed
> route and bought the multi-gallon water bottles... is that water typically
> soft enough?
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 23:48:55 -0600
> From: Phil Palmintere <phil.palmintere at gmail.com>
> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>    list,    available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
>    <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso Machine
> Message-ID: <C7EE43F1-9FDA-4368-8F6A-EAEF04D513BF at gmail.com>
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> 
> Enquiring minds want to know:  why replace the Quick Mill Andreja Premium?
> 
> Sent from an old fashioned rotary telephone. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Larry Dorman <ldorman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Has Sweet Maria's all but gotten out of the espresso machine market?  I'm
>> looking to get a new machine and I only see two on their site. !?!
>> 
>> That said...  I have a budget of $2500 or under to pick up a new machine.
>> I want it to be something that is highly serviceable.  I'm good with either
>> HX or dual boiler.  I'm on the fence on whether to do plumbed or
>> free-standing, with the probability being that I go with free-standing.  I
>> do a lot of milk based drinks, so steaming quality/performance is
>> important.  I tend to make 2-5 drinks once to twice a day...  I don't mind
>> having to fill up the reservoir and dump the waste at the beginning/end of
>> each session, but I shouldn't have to stop in the middle of the 5 drinks.
>> 
>> I have a fair amount of clearance so any machine that isn't crazy tall will
>> fit.  (I'm replacing a Quick Mill Andreja Premium which fit fine, for
>> reference.)
>> 
>> I already have a capable grinder (super jolly in excellent condition), so
>> that shouldn't be a limiting factor.
>> 
>> Anyone have any machines they recommend for or against?
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>> <a href="http://www.sweetmarias.com/library">Our new Coffee Library</a>
> 
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:15:16 -0500
> From: Larry Dorman <ldorman at gmail.com>
> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>    list,    available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
>    <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso Machine
> Message-ID:
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> 
> I had hard water and electrical problems at my old house...  it has clogged
> arteries and brain damage and those are just the known problems.  I had a
> technician take a look at it and he said it is likely to be a money pit.
> 
> I've not decided what to do with it yet...  it would have at least some
> value as parts.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Phil Palmintere <phil.palmintere at gmail.com
>> wrote:
> 
>> Enquiring minds want to know:  why replace the Quick Mill Andreja Premium?
>> 
>> Sent from an old fashioned rotary telephone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Larry Dorman <ldorman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has Sweet Maria's all but gotten out of the espresso machine market?  I'm
>>> looking to get a new machine and I only see two on their site. !?!
>>> 
>>> That said...  I have a budget of $2500 or under to pick up a new machine.
>>> I want it to be something that is highly serviceable.  I'm good with
>> either
>>> HX or dual boiler.  I'm on the fence on whether to do plumbed or
>>> free-standing, with the probability being that I go with free-standing.
>> I
>>> do a lot of milk based drinks, so steaming quality/performance is
>>> important.  I tend to make 2-5 drinks once to twice a day...  I don't
>> mind
>>> having to fill up the reservoir and dump the waste at the beginning/end
>> of
>>> each session, but I shouldn't have to stop in the middle of the 5 drinks.
>>> 
>>> I have a fair amount of clearance so any machine that isn't crazy tall
>> will
>>> fit.  (I'm replacing a Quick Mill Andreja Premium which fit fine, for
>>> reference.)
>>> 
>>> I already have a capable grinder (super jolly in excellent condition), so
>>> that shouldn't be a limiting factor.
>>> 
>>> Anyone have any machines they recommend for or against?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Homeroast mailing list
>>> Homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>> http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>>> <a href="http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/forum/">Sweet Maria's
>> Forum</a>
>>> <a href="http://www.sweetmarias.com/library">Our new Coffee Library</a>
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>> 
>> http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>> <a href="http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/forum/">Sweet Maria's Forum</a>
>> <a href="http://www.sweetmarias.com/library">Our new Coffee Library</a>
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:17:58 -0500
> From: Sandy Andina <sandraandina at me.com>
> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>    list,    available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
>    <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso Machine
> Message-ID: <01BEAF9D-E632-4F3A-8E89-BA112A79D520 at me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Ah. I never put tap water in any of my coffee machines?not even my Keurig. Crystal Geyser all the way.
>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 1:15 AM, Larry Dorman <ldorman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I had hard water and electrical problems at my old house...  it has clogged
>> arteries and brain damage and those are just the known problems.  I had a
>> technician take a look at it and he said it is likely to be a money pit.
>> 
>> I've not decided what to do with it yet...  it would have at least some
>> value as parts.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Phil Palmintere <phil.palmintere at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Enquiring minds want to know:  why replace the Quick Mill Andreja Premium?
>>> 
>>> Sent from an old fashioned rotary telephone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Larry Dorman <ldorman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Has Sweet Maria's all but gotten out of the espresso machine market?  I'm
>>>> looking to get a new machine and I only see two on their site. !?!
>>>> 
>>>> That said...  I have a budget of $2500 or under to pick up a new machine.
>>>> I want it to be something that is highly serviceable.  I'm good with
>>> either
>>>> HX or dual boiler.  I'm on the fence on whether to do plumbed or
>>>> free-standing, with the probability being that I go with free-standing.
>>> I
>>>> do a lot of milk based drinks, so steaming quality/performance is
>>>> important.  I tend to make 2-5 drinks once to twice a day...  I don't
>>> mind
>>>> having to fill up the reservoir and dump the waste at the beginning/end
>>> of
>>>> each session, but I shouldn't have to stop in the middle of the 5 drinks.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a fair amount of clearance so any machine that isn't crazy tall
>>> will
>>>> fit.  (I'm replacing a Quick Mill Andreja Premium which fit fine, for
>>>> reference.)
>>>> 
>>>> I already have a capable grinder (super jolly in excellent condition), so
>>>> that shouldn't be a limiting factor.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone have any machines they recommend for or against?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Homeroast mailing list
>>>> Homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>>> http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>>>> <a href="http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/forum/">Sweet Maria's
>>> Forum</a>
>>>> <a href="http://www.sweetmarias.com/library">Our new Coffee Library</a>
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Homeroast mailing list
>>> Homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>>> 
>>> http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>>> <a href="http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/forum/">Sweet Maria's Forum</a>
>>> <a href="http://www.sweetmarias.com/library">Our new Coffee Library</a>
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>> <a href="http://www.sweetmarias.com/library">Our new Coffee Library</a>
> 
> Peace & Song, 
> Sandy Andina
> www.sandyandina.com
> 
> 
> 
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