[Homeroast] My Iced coffee experience

Hank Arnold hankarnold at gmail.com
Wed Dec 10 12:56:50 CST 2014


Nice 'chemist' comments on the Iced Coffee.

I've drank Cold Coffee daily for years, regardless of the Cold in
Winter.  Since I work out of the house it's easy for me....I brew in
the morning (Moccamaster) and after I've had my 2 cups I immediately
put the balance in the Freezer.  After a couple of hours I remove to
the Fridge and drink later in the day.

The rare drink I'll buy at Starbucks is Iced Coffee and I always
wondered why it tasted better than mine, even though I knew my beans
were better and fresher.  It's the relatively immediate cooling that
makes the difference, IMHO....as I made a pot at a time and put in the
fridge to drink over a day or two previously but it NEVER tasted as
good as when I cooled it immediately and didn't have any left over for
the next day.

Just my 2 cents, hope this helps your chemical research.

Hank

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> I rather like it from a chemistry standpoint.  And totally understand
> the price based upon the amount of work involved.  But no, I would
> not buy it either at that price.
>
> But I'll share something I discovered while running the rabbit warren
> of research after reading this.
>
> I'm not a fan of cold brewed coffee at all.  Too mild.  But I do like
> iced coffee sometimes.  What I found was references to Japanese
> brewed coffee that is brewed hot but immediately chilled.  The
> concept is you need the heat to extract properly (I agree), but don't
> want it hot for any length of time or bitterness starts FAST (unknown
> by me) and aromatics are lost (testing coming up).  And by icing
> immediately, all that lovely coffee aroma you smell while brewing is
> instead captured into the coffee.
>
> I tried it this morning in my Brazen.  1/2 filled the carafe with
> ice, topped up with water, and then poured the water portion into the
> reservoir to brew, leaving the ice behind.  Heavy dosed a little
> (25%? as research indicated) since I could not use full volume and
> the result was a gloriously aromatic and flavorful iced coffee.  And
> comparing side by side with some I had brewed earlier that got cold,
> the hot brew/immediate ice was noticeably better IMO as cold coffee.
>
> John
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> At 08:08 AM 12/8/2014, you wrote:
>>I saw it on Facebook. Seeing that the price is insane, if I want
>>cold brewed coffee, I'll stick with making a cold brew in a mason
>>jar, on my kitchen counter. With SM's homeroasted greens - then I'm
>>assured of excellent quality.
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>>Still, I have to admit, it's an excellent marketing idea.
>>
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> To a non-chemist and non-physicist, it intuitively makes sense that there
> would be an overlap between the most aromatic agents and volatile agents.
> Similarly, I've always assumed that one thing that makes freshly-roasted
> coffee so different from the same batch a few hours or a few days later is
> that the most volatile agents and the delicate flavors I notice immediately
> post-roast have a lot of overlap, and therefore those flavors are the first
> to (in technical terms) go poof. As I say, of course, these are all
> hypotheses based primarily on nothing.
>
> Brian
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> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 4:57 PM, John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I rather like it from a chemistry standpoint.  And totally understand the
>> price based upon the amount of work involved.  But no, I would not buy it
>> either at that price.
>>
>> But I'll share something I discovered while running the rabbit warren of
>> research after reading this.
>>
>> I'm not a fan of cold brewed coffee at all.  Too mild.  But I do like iced
>> coffee sometimes.  What I found was references to Japanese brewed coffee
>> that is brewed hot but immediately chilled.  The concept is you need the
>> heat to extract properly (I agree), but don't want it hot for any length of
>> time or bitterness starts FAST (unknown by me) and aromatics are lost
>> (testing coming up).  And by icing immediately, all that lovely coffee
>> aroma you smell while brewing is instead captured into the coffee.
>>
>> I tried it this morning in my Brazen.  1/2 filled the carafe with ice,
>> topped up with water, and then poured the water portion into the reservoir
>> to brew, leaving the ice behind.  Heavy dosed a little (25%? as research
>> indicated) since I could not use full volume and the result was a
>> gloriously aromatic and flavorful iced coffee.  And comparing side by side
>> with some I had brewed earlier that got cold, the hot brew/immediate ice
>> was noticeably better IMO as cold coffee.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> At 08:08 AM 12/8/2014, you wrote:
>>
>>> I saw it on Facebook. Seeing that the price is insane, if I want cold
>>> brewed coffee, I'll stick with making a cold brew in a mason jar, on my
>>> kitchen counter. With SM's homeroasted greens - then I'm assured of
>>> excellent quality.
>>>
>>> Still, I have to admit, it's an excellent marketing idea.
>>>
>>> Lynnenull
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