[Homeroast] Response to flavor
pedestriancoffee at gmail.com
Sun Aug 17 16:21:37 CDT 2014
Thanks for the insight John. That reminds me; I must say some of my most
memorable cups have been at a roastery fresh out the roaster- no rest at
all! Was it simply the excitement of the situation and the
environment? maybe. But then again, that's all part of "flavor" right?
Sight, presentation, aroma, circumstance, etc.
On Sunday, August 17, 2014, John M. Howison <johnmhowison at gmail.com> wrote:
> The current discussion on this list of the effect on flavor of storage
> practices raises in my mind the issue of the degree to which our
> judgments on flavor may be socially induced, rather than objective.
> After all, the notion of taste is itself subjective rather than
> objective. Without objective reason, we may like to think that
> beings of general "refinement" are somehow likely to have refined
> tastes in coffee. Is coffee really objectively better after a given
> period of "rest," or have we reached a social consensus that it is so?
> Is oxygen or
> CO2 invariably good or bad?
> Let me at the outset allow that coffee objectively loses elements of
> flavor over time, becomes staler and staler until eventually it hardly
> has much recognizeable coffee flavor.
> I would point out even in high-end environments, coffee in epicurean
> France and northern Italy is often so carbonized as to have lost many
> of the flavors present at moderate roasts. In my judgment, France is
> not the place to go for great coffee. Some sophisticates never did
> think so, favoring Vienna, which brewed (still brews?) coffee made
> with relatively expensive beans, roasted moderately.
> And consider the Ethiopians, who were drinking coffee long before it
> got as far west as Vienna (much less Seattle). Ethiopian
> sophisticates don't even let roasted beans get cool before brewing.
> When Sweet Maria's describes a new offering, its comments on flavors
> detectable at successive roast levels sound to me to have an element
> of objectivity. Much of what I read about the effects of "rest"
> strikes me as _____, -- spread it on your lawn and watch the grass
> grow greener.
> Is it enough to say store coffee when and how you like it? After all
> we are very general agreement that time is the enemy of good coffee.
> Contra muros, mater rubicolla
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