[Homeroast] Homeroast Digest, Vol 65, Issue 21

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> Today's Topics:
>    1. Re: Distilled H2O vs RO (Raybob Bowman)
>    2. Re: Distilled H2O vs RO (John Nanci)
>    3. Re: Distilled H2O vs RO (Greg Gearheart)
>    4. Re: Distilled H2O vs RO (Seth Grandeau)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:31:58 -0700
> From: Raybob Bowman <raybob at tube-tone.com>
> To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O vs RO
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> On 6/20/2013 10:00 AM, homeroast-request at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com wrote:
>> From: John Nanci<john at chocolatealchemy.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O vs RO
>>
>> A very fast Google search pulled up basic RO systems ranging from
>> $149 to $499.  Seems most make 10-15 gallons a day.  I had a heavy
>> duty one about 10 years ago.  It was about $800.  The water was high
>> enough in salt that distillation was not recommended due to the heavy
>> wear on it (2000 ppm NaCl).
>>
>> Raybob, how does your distiller work?  Do you have to set up a cool
>> water condenser?  Does it turn off automatically?  How do you decide
>> when to start collecting the water?
> Mine will hook up to water line or can be filled from top. If filled 
> from top, it will do one gallon. Hooked to water line, timer can be set 
> for up to 4 gallons until shut-off. The boiling tank has vapor line from 
> top of tank to cooling coil under a fan. Has stainless steel tank under 
> unit that holds 4 gallons, with tap to fill bottles from.
> As for reverse osmosis, I looked up the wiki article and found why I 
> have trouble sleeping when that type of water.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_osmosis_water_purification_unit says:
> "The clarified water is then fed through a high-pressure piston pump 
> into a series of vessels where it is subject to reverse osmosis. The 
> product water is free of 90.00?99.98% of the raw water's total dissolved 
> solids and by military standards, should have no more than 1000?1500 
> parts per million by measure of electrical conductivity. It is then 
> disinfected with chlorine and stored for later use."
> First, chlorine is a killer. Second, leaving 10.0~0.02 percent of solid 
> waste is too much for my stomach, not to mention my health. There is 
> 0.00 percent of anything left in water that has been purified by 
> distillation. Same process God uses to make the morning dew.
> Raybob
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:41:56 -0700
> From: John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O vs RO
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> Chlorine would only be there if YOU added 
> it.  It's not part of every system.  You 
> reference a military unit, not a home unit.   No comment about the solids.
> So, do you collect everything from your 
> distiller?  All the organics that come off first 
> (like benzene that you are trying to get rid of) 
> before it's up to a boil or do you not start the 
> cooling coil until the organics have been released into the air?
> John
> At 11:31 AM 6/20/2013, you wrote:
>>On 6/20/2013 10:00 AM, homeroast-request at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com wrote:
>>>From: John Nanci<john at chocolatealchemy.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O vs RO
>>>
>>>A very fast Google search pulled up basic RO systems ranging from
>>>$149 to $499.  Seems most make 10-15 gallons a day.  I had a heavy
>>>duty one about 10 years ago.  It was about $800.  The water was high
>>>enough in salt that distillation was not recommended due to the heavy
>>>wear on it (2000 ppm NaCl).
>>>
>>>Raybob, how does your distiller work?  Do you have to set up a cool
>>>water condenser?  Does it turn off automatically?  How do you decide
>>>when to start collecting the water?
>>Mine will hook up to water line or can be filled 
>>from top. If filled from top, it will do one 
>>gallon. Hooked to water line, timer can be set 
>>for up to 4 gallons until shut-off. The boiling 
>>tank has vapor line from top of tank to cooling 
>>coil under a fan. Has stainless steel tank under 
>>unit that holds 4 gallons, with tap to fill bottles from.
>>
>>As for reverse osmosis, I looked up the wiki 
>>article and found why I have trouble sleeping when that type of water.
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_osmosis_water_purification_unit says:
>>"The clarified water is then fed through a 
>>high-pressure piston pump into a series of 
>>vessels where it is subject to reverse osmosis. 
>>The product water is free of 90.00?99.98% of the 
>>raw water's total dissolved solids and by 
>>military standards, should have no more than 
>>1000?1500 parts per million by measure of 
>>electrical conductivity. It is then disinfected 
>>with chlorine and stored for later use."
>>
>>First, chlorine is a killer. Second, leaving 
>>10.0~0.02 percent of solid waste is too much for 
>>my stomach, not to mention my health. There is 
>>0.00 percent of anything left in water that has 
>>been purified by distillation. Same process God uses to make the morning dew.
>>
>>Raybob
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:45:26 -0700
> From: Greg Gearheart <olawai at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O vs RO
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> Raybob, you seem like a nice guy.  And your feelings about water are very
> sincere.  But there is something I feel you really need to know.  Without
> electrolytes, nothing on this planet will grow.  Brawndo has electrolytes.
>  Your distilled water does not.
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Raybob Bowman <raybob at tube-tone.com>wrote:
>> On 6/20/2013 10:00 AM, homeroast-request at lists.**sweetmariascoffee.com<homeroast-request at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>wrote:
>>
>>> From: John Nanci<john at chocolatealchemy.**com <john at chocolatealchemy.com>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O vs RO
>>>
>>> A very fast Google search pulled up basic RO systems ranging from
>>> $149 to $499.  Seems most make 10-15 gallons a day.  I had a heavy
>>> duty one about 10 years ago.  It was about $800.  The water was high
>>> enough in salt that distillation was not recommended due to the heavy
>>> wear on it (2000 ppm NaCl).
>>>
>>> Raybob, how does your distiller work?  Do you have to set up a cool
>>> water condenser?  Does it turn off automatically?  How do you decide
>>> when to start collecting the water?
>>>
>> Mine will hook up to water line or can be filled from top. If filled from
>> top, it will do one gallon. Hooked to water line, timer can be set for up
>> to 4 gallons until shut-off. The boiling tank has vapor line from top of
>> tank to cooling coil under a fan. Has stainless steel tank under unit that
>> holds 4 gallons, with tap to fill bottles from.
>>
>> As for reverse osmosis, I looked up the wiki article and found why I have
>> trouble sleeping when that type of water.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Reverse_osmosis_water_**purification_unit<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_osmosis_water_purification_unit>says:
>> "The clarified water is then fed through a high-pressure piston pump into
>> a series of vessels where it is subject to reverse osmosis. The product
>> water is free of 90.00?99.98% of the raw water's total dissolved solids and
>> by military standards, should have no more than 1000?1500 parts per million
>> by measure of electrical conductivity. It is then disinfected with chlorine
>> and stored for later use."
>>
>> First, chlorine is a killer. Second, leaving 10.0~0.02 percent of solid
>> waste is too much for my stomach, not to mention my health. There is 0.00
>> percent of anything left in water that has been purified by distillation.
>> Same process God uses to make the morning dew.
>>
>> Raybob
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 15:20:31 -0400
> From: Seth Grandeau <grandeau at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O vs RO
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> Chlorine is not a part of the Reverse Osmosis process and under sink units
> do not chlorinate (at least I've never seen one that does).  That article
> describes an industrial strength, military water purification unit (*ROWPU)*,
> not the Reverse Osmosis Process.  Try this article for more useful
> information:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_osmosis
> At the end of the day, if you like distilled water better, then that's what
> you should have.  Your body will pick up plenty of dissolved solids from
> other sources (i.e., food), be they healthy or not.
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Greg Gearheart <olawai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Raybob, you seem like a nice guy.  And your feelings about water are very
>> sincere.  But there is something I feel you really need to know.  Without
>> electrolytes, nothing on this planet will grow.  Brawndo has electrolytes.
>>  Your distilled water does not.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Raybob Bowman <raybob at tube-tone.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > On 6/20/2013 10:00 AM, homeroast-request at lists.**sweetmariascoffee.com<
>> homeroast-request at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: John Nanci<john at chocolatealchemy.**com <john at chocolatealchemy.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O vs RO
>> >>
>> >> A very fast Google search pulled up basic RO systems ranging from
>> >> $149 to $499.  Seems most make 10-15 gallons a day.  I had a heavy
>> >> duty one about 10 years ago.  It was about $800.  The water was high
>> >> enough in salt that distillation was not recommended due to the heavy
>> >> wear on it (2000 ppm NaCl).
>> >>
>> >> Raybob, how does your distiller work?  Do you have to set up a cool
>> >> water condenser?  Does it turn off automatically?  How do you decide
>> >> when to start collecting the water?
>> >>
>> > Mine will hook up to water line or can be filled from top. If filled from
>> > top, it will do one gallon. Hooked to water line, timer can be set for up
>> > to 4 gallons until shut-off. The boiling tank has vapor line from top of
>> > tank to cooling coil under a fan. Has stainless steel tank under unit
>> that
>> > holds 4 gallons, with tap to fill bottles from.
>> >
>> > As for reverse osmosis, I looked up the wiki article and found why I have
>> > trouble sleeping when that type of water.
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Reverse_osmosis_water_**purification_unit
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_osmosis_water_purification_unit
>> >says:
>> > "The clarified water is then fed through a high-pressure piston pump into
>> > a series of vessels where it is subject to reverse osmosis. The product
>> > water is free of 90.00?99.98% of the raw water's total dissolved solids
>> and
>> > by military standards, should have no more than 1000?1500 parts per
>> million
>> > by measure of electrical conductivity. It is then disinfected with
>> chlorine
>> > and stored for later use."
>> >
>> > First, chlorine is a killer. Second, leaving 10.0~0.02 percent of solid
>> > waste is too much for my stomach, not to mention my health. There is 0.00
>> > percent of anything left in water that has been purified by distillation.
>> > Same process God uses to make the morning dew.
>> >
>> > Raybob
>> >
>> >
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