[Homeroast] Homeroast Digest, Vol 65, Issue 15by Brian Kamnetz

Seth Grandeau grandeau at gmail.com
Sun Jun 16 14:00:13 CDT 2013


I find some African beans taste their best (to me) between 1 and 2 weeks.

On Jun 15, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Brian Kamnetz <bkamnetz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Good point about the age of the roasts. Some of them have lost a lot at the
> end of the two weeks (actually it can be a few days longer; I try to roast
> on either Saturday or Sunday, so that I can roast in the morning and brew a
> moka pot with the beans fresh from roasting). On the other hand, I have
> found some varieties have remarkable flavor at the end of 2 weeks. It's the
> exception rather than the rule, but it's fun to find when it happens. I
> look at roasting similarly to many other things in life: it's often an
> exercise in compromise when I can't have my cake and eat it too. My process
> and schedule aren't perfect, but for me they are the best compromise
> between what I want and what I am willing to do over the long term.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, John M. Howison <johnmhowison at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I had doubted the existence of a home-roaster household  using even
>> less coffee than I do.  Seems to me Kamknetz loses a good deal of the
>> virtue of homeroadsting by using coffee up to two weeks old.  I am
>> persuaded that with the Fresh Roast 500 I have more control over the
>> roasting process than any rpt any other homeroasting device, and it
>> allows me to roast coffee between one and three days old.  For you it
>> should approach the ideal.
>>
>>
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>>>   1. Re: postings for June 13th. (Brian Kamnetz)
>>>   2. Re: Distilled H2O (Raybob Bowman)
>>>   3. Re: Distilled H2O (Dave)
>>>   4. Re: Distilled H2O (John Nanci)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 12:42:22 -0500
>>> From: Brian Kamnetz <bkamnetz at gmail.com>
>>> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
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>>> Very interesting post, miKe. I like the inclusiveness of your outlook,
>> that
>>> coffee Nirvana has big boundaries and it is ok if coffee Nirvana looks
>>> different for each roaster. I roast only for myself, and drink only one
>> cup
>>> a day, which means I roast a pound at a time every other week. It would
>> be
>>> difficult for me to roast enough to learn very much about ramping and so
>>> forth for different origins. It would be interesting, and I think I would
>>> enjoy it if it happened, but for me it probably won't happen, and what I
>> do
>>> will be good enough for me. Ray-O has disappeared, but I think of him
>> often
>>> when I pull out my Master Appliance heat gun, which he recommended. (I
>>> think of Rich too, and his 751C Master Appliance heat gun.) This list has
>>> been a very comfortable place for me over the years.
>>>
>>> I would love to make it out there and stop into your shop sometime. It
>>> won't be soon, though.
>>>
>>> brian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:57 PM, miKe mcKoffee <mckona at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> While I can and do have excellent repeatability with the USCR 3k
>>>> interesting
>>>> thing the greatest precision I had (have) roasting began long long ago
>> at
>>>> about six months into home roasting. And not talking about my Computer
>>>> Controlled HotTop which came much later. And certainly not B1600 which
>>>> also
>>>> came later but very short lived in my Journey. (though still sits on a
>>>> shelf) Namely with Caffe Rosto after split wiring heater and fan for
>>>> independent dual variable boosted voltage control and bean temp
>>>> monitoring.
>>>> Similar to what Jim Schulman did with his FR same time frame and others
>>>> did
>>>> with their roasters be it popcorn popper or off the shelf coffee
>> intended
>>>> appliance. Could change a ramp rate on dime, I mean lightning fast, with
>>>> highly accurate and precise control. Not only control but went from a
>>>> 1/4lb
>>>> stock rated roaster which initially I ran 1/3lb using Rockin' Rosto
>>>> technique during drying before voltage boost to 1/2lb batches all the
>>>> time
>>>> sans rockin' needed for early bean movement. Throw 142v at the fan and
>>>> had
>>>> no problem gittin' 1/2lb greens moving! No tipping, no unevenness etc.
>>>> AND
>>>> could (and did for fun) do any profile from 5 minute French to 30 minute
>>>> Cinnamon. Neither of which I ever did for consumption, just did to do it
>>>> and
>>>> fully master control of ubber fast and ubber slow without stalling ramp
>>>> rates. From 6 months on I began exploring in earnest how varying
>>>> different
>>>> ramp rates different stages effected the cup. Over a decade later I know
>>>> I
>>>> know but little to nothing. (But am told I'm pretty dang good at faking
>>>> it
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> Nothing wrong with roasting without monitoring bean and environment
>>>> temps.
>>>> (Unless looking to best understand what's going and or for
>>>> repeatability).
>>>> I
>>>> have a dedicated carbon steel coffee roasting wok, over the coals fire
>>>> shaker roaster (forget what it's called at the moment, androk?), have SS
>>>> fry
>>>> pan roasted a 1/2lb with no stir chef toss only just for fun loosing
>> only
>>>> 7
>>>> beans. While I do have a heat gun have never bothered using it to roast
>>>> coffee though know I could. It doesn't much matter if you understand a
>>>> tools
>>>> capability and know what you're trying to achieve to roast with
>> whatever.
>>>> However some tools are much easier to get desired consistent results
>> than
>>>> others!
>>>>
>>>> I'm a long time staunch believer the best roasters strive to understand
>>>> the
>>>> science to apply the art. One without the other hinders the ability to
>>>> make
>>>> each bean sing. IMNSHO.
>>>>
>>>> Yet each person's Journey is their Journey. Some travel long and far
>>>> continually searching new horizons, some stay near the known and
>>>> comfortable. No path wrong if it's the path you choose. For me it's the
>>>> Journey not the destination which never is an end just another
>> beginning.
>>>>
>>>> It grows late and rest beckons before tomorrow's beans call. Such is an
>>>> inkling of my philosophy of Coffee and Life.
>>>>
>>>> Slave to the Bean miKe mcKoffee
>>>> www.CompassCoffeeRoasting.com
>>>> URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
>>>> http://www.mckoffee.com/
>>>>
>>>> Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I
>>>> must
>>>> first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal
>>>> enlightenment
>>>> found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone
>>>> before.
>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Homeroast [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com]
>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Brian Kamnetz
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:17 PM
>>>> To: A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>>>> list,available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html
>>>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] postings for June 13th.
>>>>
>>>> miKe,
>>>>
>>>> I'm kind of a by guess and by golly kind of guy by nature, and enjoy
>>>> roasting that way with my heat gun (1# e/o week), but it would sure be
>>>> fun
>>>> to have the ability to roast with the precision you have available with
>>>> your
>>>> U.S. Roaster (I think I am recalling that correctly) and learn to apply
>>>> the
>>>> precision to obtain desired specific results.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:28 PM, miKe mcKoffee <mckona at comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If we can't laugh at ourselves somebody else will!
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW yesterday I roasted a "wee bit" of (washed) Sulawesi Mt.
>>>>> Pedemeran Toarco Jaya for a special order. A pairing of 101 12oz bags
>>>>> roasted to 446f (~15:00, 2nd just barely starting as beans left the
>>>>> drum) and 101 12oz bags roasted 426f (~14:15). 202 12oz bags total,
>>>>> nice order! An offering I came up with to illustrate and educate their
>>>>> customers (online subscription based featuring a different roaster
>>>>> each month) how much the roast level can effect the cup. More specific
>>>>> profile details upon request. FWIWx2 it was the most I've roasted in
>>>>> one day so far by one batch :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Slave to the Bean miKe mcKoffee
>>>>> www.CompassCoffeeRoasting.com
>>>>> URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
>>>>> http://www.mckoffee.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I
>>>>> must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal
>>>>> enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those
>>>>> who have gone before.
>>>>>
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Homeroast [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>> ]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Malvene Lemerick
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 11:10 AM
>>>>> To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>>>>> Subject: [Homeroast] postings for June 13th.
>>>>>
>>>>> Usually I come here for the great knowledge that you all so willingly
>>>>> share.
>>>>> Apparently today I came for the humour. Thanks!   Have a great
>> weekend.
>>>>> Cheers Malvene
>>>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:03:37 -0700
>>> From: Raybob Bowman <raybob at tube-tone.com>
>>> To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O
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>>> On 6/13/2013 10:00 AM, homeroast-request at lists.sweetmariascoffee.comwrote:
>>>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:52:28 -0400
>>>> From: Mike Koenig<koenig.mike at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O
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>>>>
>>>> "You can't pour water with soluble chemicals through any type of filter
>>>> to
>>>> make them get out of the water.  Only distillation separates them from
>>>> the
>>>> water."
>>>>
>>>> Wow - so I suppose I was hallucinating the whole time when I observed
>> the
>>>> purity of my laboratory water which had all the "soluble chemicals"
>>>> removed
>>>> by membranes and deionization resin, or my water softener at home
>> doesn't
>>>> really work either.   And the entire water purification industry has it
>>>> all
>>>> wrong and is a huge scam.
>>>>
>>>> This argument is futile and I can go no further..
>>>>
>>>> --mike
>>> Mike, if you mix sugar in water, it becomes sugar-water.  You can't
>>> filter out the sugar, it pours right through whatever is in that
>>> filter.  How can a membrane remove sugar?  Can you pee through those
>>> membranes and then deionize it, then make coffee with it?  I don't think
>>> so.  You might just do that, but there's no way I'd drink it. The ONLY
>>> way to remove solubles from H2O is by distillation.
>>>
>>> Raybob
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:06:09 -0700
>>> From: Dave <dbcraw at gmail.com>
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>>> No Raybob, your wrong. The only thing correct in your last post is that
>> you
>>> make sugar water, by mixing sugar and water.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Some days...
>>> It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Raybob Bowman
>>> <raybob at tube-tone.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/13/2013 10:00 AM,
>>>> homeroast-request at lists.**sweetmariascoffee.com<
>> homeroast-request at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:52:28 -0400
>>>>> From: Mike Koenig<koenig.mike at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>>
>>>>> "You can't pour water with soluble chemicals through any type of filter
>>>>> to
>>>>> make them get out of the water.  Only distillation separates them from
>>>>> the
>>>>> water."
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow - so I suppose I was hallucinating the whole time when I observed
>>>>> the
>>>>> purity of my laboratory water which had all the "soluble chemicals"
>>>>> removed
>>>>> by membranes and deionization resin, or my water softener at home
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> really work either.   And the entire water purification industry has it
>>>>> all
>>>>> wrong and is a huge scam.
>>>>>
>>>>> This argument is futile and I can go no further..
>>>>>
>>>>> --mike
>>>> Mike, if you mix sugar in water, it becomes sugar-water.  You can't
>>>> filter
>>>> out the sugar, it pours right through whatever is in that filter.  How
>>>> can
>>>> a membrane remove sugar?  Can you pee through those membranes and then
>>>> deionize it, then make coffee with it?  I don't think so.  You might
>> just
>>>> do that, but there's no way I'd drink it. The ONLY way to remove
>> solubles
>>>> from H2O is by distillation.
>>>>
>>>> Raybob
>>>>
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:22:20 -0700
>>> From: John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com>
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>>> Thanks Dave.  So far, I had resisted even putting my teeth on the
>>> leather straps.  But damn, they do look tasty :)
>>>
>>> At 07:06 AM 6/15/2013, you wrote:
>>>> No Raybob, your wrong. The only thing correct in your last post is that
>>>> you
>>>> make sugar water, by mixing sugar and water.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> Some days...
>>>> It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Raybob Bowman
>>>> <raybob at tube-tone.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/13/2013 10:00 AM,
>>>> homeroast-request at lists.**sweetmariascoffee.com<
>> homeroast-request at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:52:28 -0400
>>>>>> From: Mike Koenig<koenig.mike at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "You can't pour water with soluble chemicals through any type of
>> filter
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> make them get out of the water.  Only distillation separates them
>> from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> water."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow - so I suppose I was hallucinating the whole time when I observed
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> purity of my laboratory water which had all the "soluble chemicals"
>>>>>> removed
>>>>>> by membranes and deionization resin, or my water softener at home
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> really work either.   And the entire water purification industry has
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> wrong and is a huge scam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This argument is futile and I can go no further..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --mike
>>>>> Mike, if you mix sugar in water, it becomes sugar-water.  You can't
>>>>> filter
>>>>> out the sugar, it pours right through whatever is in that filter.  How
>>>>> can
>>>>> a membrane remove sugar?  Can you pee through those membranes and then
>>>>> deionize it, then make coffee with it?  I don't think so.  You might
>>>>> just
>>>>> do that, but there's no way I'd drink it. The ONLY way to remove
>>>>> solubles
>>>>> from H2O is by distillation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Raybob
>>>>>
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