[Homeroast] Homeroast Digest, Vol 65, Issue 15by Brian Kamnetz

Brian Kamnetz bkamnetz at gmail.com
Sat Jun 15 15:54:04 CDT 2013


Hi John,

Good point about the age of the roasts. Some of them have lost a lot at the
end of the two weeks (actually it can be a few days longer; I try to roast
on either Saturday or Sunday, so that I can roast in the morning and brew a
moka pot with the beans fresh from roasting). On the other hand, I have
found some varieties have remarkable flavor at the end of 2 weeks. It's the
exception rather than the rule, but it's fun to find when it happens. I
look at roasting similarly to many other things in life: it's often an
exercise in compromise when I can't have my cake and eat it too. My process
and schedule aren't perfect, but for me they are the best compromise
between what I want and what I am willing to do over the long term.

Brian



On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, John M. Howison <johnmhowison at gmail.com>wrote:

> I had doubted the existence of a home-roaster household  using even
> less coffee than I do.  Seems to me Kamknetz loses a good deal of the
> virtue of homeroadsting by using coffee up to two weeks old.  I am
> persuaded that with the Fresh Roast 500 I have more control over the
> roasting process than any rpt any other homeroasting device, and it
> allows me to roast coffee between one and three days old.  For you it
> should approach the ideal.
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> >    1. Re: postings for June 13th. (Brian Kamnetz)
> >    2. Re: Distilled H2O (Raybob Bowman)
> >    3. Re: Distilled H2O (Dave)
> >    4. Re: Distilled H2O (John Nanci)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 12:42:22 -0500
> > From: Brian Kamnetz <bkamnetz at gmail.com>
> > To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
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> > Very interesting post, miKe. I like the inclusiveness of your outlook,
> that
> > coffee Nirvana has big boundaries and it is ok if coffee Nirvana looks
> > different for each roaster. I roast only for myself, and drink only one
> cup
> > a day, which means I roast a pound at a time every other week. It would
> be
> > difficult for me to roast enough to learn very much about ramping and so
> > forth for different origins. It would be interesting, and I think I would
> > enjoy it if it happened, but for me it probably won't happen, and what I
> do
> > will be good enough for me. Ray-O has disappeared, but I think of him
> often
> > when I pull out my Master Appliance heat gun, which he recommended. (I
> > think of Rich too, and his 751C Master Appliance heat gun.) This list has
> > been a very comfortable place for me over the years.
> >
> > I would love to make it out there and stop into your shop sometime. It
> > won't be soon, though.
> >
> > brian
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:57 PM, miKe mcKoffee <mckona at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> While I can and do have excellent repeatability with the USCR 3k
> >> interesting
> >> thing the greatest precision I had (have) roasting began long long ago
> at
> >> about six months into home roasting. And not talking about my Computer
> >> Controlled HotTop which came much later. And certainly not B1600 which
> >> also
> >> came later but very short lived in my Journey. (though still sits on a
> >> shelf) Namely with Caffe Rosto after split wiring heater and fan for
> >> independent dual variable boosted voltage control and bean temp
> >> monitoring.
> >> Similar to what Jim Schulman did with his FR same time frame and others
> >> did
> >> with their roasters be it popcorn popper or off the shelf coffee
> intended
> >> appliance. Could change a ramp rate on dime, I mean lightning fast, with
> >> highly accurate and precise control. Not only control but went from a
> >> 1/4lb
> >> stock rated roaster which initially I ran 1/3lb using Rockin' Rosto
> >> technique during drying before voltage boost to 1/2lb batches all the
> >> time
> >> sans rockin' needed for early bean movement. Throw 142v at the fan and
> >> had
> >> no problem gittin' 1/2lb greens moving! No tipping, no unevenness etc.
> >> AND
> >> could (and did for fun) do any profile from 5 minute French to 30 minute
> >> Cinnamon. Neither of which I ever did for consumption, just did to do it
> >> and
> >> fully master control of ubber fast and ubber slow without stalling ramp
> >> rates. From 6 months on I began exploring in earnest how varying
> >> different
> >> ramp rates different stages effected the cup. Over a decade later I know
> >> I
> >> know but little to nothing. (But am told I'm pretty dang good at faking
> >> it
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Nothing wrong with roasting without monitoring bean and environment
> >> temps.
> >> (Unless looking to best understand what's going and or for
> >> repeatability).
> >> I
> >> have a dedicated carbon steel coffee roasting wok, over the coals fire
> >> shaker roaster (forget what it's called at the moment, androk?), have SS
> >> fry
> >> pan roasted a 1/2lb with no stir chef toss only just for fun loosing
> only
> >> 7
> >> beans. While I do have a heat gun have never bothered using it to roast
> >> coffee though know I could. It doesn't much matter if you understand a
> >> tools
> >> capability and know what you're trying to achieve to roast with
> whatever.
> >> However some tools are much easier to get desired consistent results
> than
> >> others!
> >>
> >> I'm a long time staunch believer the best roasters strive to understand
> >> the
> >> science to apply the art. One without the other hinders the ability to
> >> make
> >> each bean sing. IMNSHO.
> >>
> >> Yet each person's Journey is their Journey. Some travel long and far
> >> continually searching new horizons, some stay near the known and
> >> comfortable. No path wrong if it's the path you choose. For me it's the
> >> Journey not the destination which never is an end just another
> beginning.
> >>
> >> It grows late and rest beckons before tomorrow's beans call. Such is an
> >> inkling of my philosophy of Coffee and Life.
> >>
> >> Slave to the Bean miKe mcKoffee
> >> www.CompassCoffeeRoasting.com
> >> URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
> >> http://www.mckoffee.com/
> >>
> >> Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I
> >> must
> >> first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal
> >> enlightenment
> >> found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone
> >> before.
> >>
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Homeroast [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Brian Kamnetz
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:17 PM
> >> To: A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
> >> list,available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html
> >> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] postings for June 13th.
> >>
> >> miKe,
> >>
> >> I'm kind of a by guess and by golly kind of guy by nature, and enjoy
> >> roasting that way with my heat gun (1# e/o week), but it would sure be
> >> fun
> >> to have the ability to roast with the precision you have available with
> >> your
> >> U.S. Roaster (I think I am recalling that correctly) and learn to apply
> >> the
> >> precision to obtain desired specific results.
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:28 PM, miKe mcKoffee <mckona at comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > If we can't laugh at ourselves somebody else will!
> >> >
> >> > FWIW yesterday I roasted a "wee bit" of (washed) Sulawesi Mt.
> >> > Pedemeran Toarco Jaya for a special order. A pairing of 101 12oz bags
> >> > roasted to 446f (~15:00, 2nd just barely starting as beans left the
> >> > drum) and 101 12oz bags roasted 426f (~14:15). 202 12oz bags total,
> >> > nice order! An offering I came up with to illustrate and educate their
> >> > customers (online subscription based featuring a different roaster
> >> > each month) how much the roast level can effect the cup. More specific
> >> > profile details upon request. FWIWx2 it was the most I've roasted in
> >> > one day so far by one batch :-)
> >> >
> >> > Slave to the Bean miKe mcKoffee
> >> > www.CompassCoffeeRoasting.com
> >> > URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
> >> > http://www.mckoffee.com/
> >> >
> >> > Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I
> >> > must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal
> >> > enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those
> >> > who have gone before.
> >> >
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> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Homeroast [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> ]
> >> > On Behalf Of Malvene Lemerick
> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 11:10 AM
> >> > To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> >> > Subject: [Homeroast] postings for June 13th.
> >> >
> >> > Usually I come here for the great knowledge that you all so willingly
> >> > share.
> >> > Apparently today I came for the humour. Thanks!   Have a great
> weekend.
> >> > Cheers Malvene
> >> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:03:37 -0700
> > From: Raybob Bowman <raybob at tube-tone.com>
> > To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> > Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O
> > Message-ID: <51BBF5A9.7050107 at tube-tone.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > On 6/13/2013 10:00 AM, homeroast-request at lists.sweetmariascoffee.comwrote:
> >> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:52:28 -0400
> >> From: Mike Koenig<koenig.mike at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>
> >> "You can't pour water with soluble chemicals through any type of filter
> >> to
> >> make them get out of the water.  Only distillation separates them from
> >> the
> >> water."
> >>
> >> Wow - so I suppose I was hallucinating the whole time when I observed
> the
> >> purity of my laboratory water which had all the "soluble chemicals"
> >> removed
> >> by membranes and deionization resin, or my water softener at home
> doesn't
> >> really work either.   And the entire water purification industry has it
> >> all
> >> wrong and is a huge scam.
> >>
> >> This argument is futile and I can go no further..
> >>
> >> --mike
> > Mike, if you mix sugar in water, it becomes sugar-water.  You can't
> > filter out the sugar, it pours right through whatever is in that
> > filter.  How can a membrane remove sugar?  Can you pee through those
> > membranes and then deionize it, then make coffee with it?  I don't think
> > so.  You might just do that, but there's no way I'd drink it. The ONLY
> > way to remove solubles from H2O is by distillation.
> >
> > Raybob
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:06:09 -0700
> > From: Dave <dbcraw at gmail.com>
> > To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
> >       list,   available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
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> > Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O
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> >
> > No Raybob, your wrong. The only thing correct in your last post is that
> you
> > make sugar water, by mixing sugar and water.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > Some days...
> > It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Raybob Bowman
> > <raybob at tube-tone.com>wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/13/2013 10:00 AM,
> >> homeroast-request at lists.**sweetmariascoffee.com<
> homeroast-request at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:52:28 -0400
> >>> From: Mike Koenig<koenig.mike at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>
> >>> "You can't pour water with soluble chemicals through any type of filter
> >>> to
> >>> make them get out of the water.  Only distillation separates them from
> >>> the
> >>> water."
> >>>
> >>> Wow - so I suppose I was hallucinating the whole time when I observed
> >>> the
> >>> purity of my laboratory water which had all the "soluble chemicals"
> >>> removed
> >>> by membranes and deionization resin, or my water softener at home
> >>> doesn't
> >>> really work either.   And the entire water purification industry has it
> >>> all
> >>> wrong and is a huge scam.
> >>>
> >>> This argument is futile and I can go no further..
> >>>
> >>> --mike
> >>>
> >> Mike, if you mix sugar in water, it becomes sugar-water.  You can't
> >> filter
> >> out the sugar, it pours right through whatever is in that filter.  How
> >> can
> >> a membrane remove sugar?  Can you pee through those membranes and then
> >> deionize it, then make coffee with it?  I don't think so.  You might
> just
> >> do that, but there's no way I'd drink it. The ONLY way to remove
> solubles
> >> from H2O is by distillation.
> >>
> >> Raybob
> >>
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> > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:22:20 -0700
> > From: John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com>
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> > Thanks Dave.  So far, I had resisted even putting my teeth on the
> > leather straps.  But damn, they do look tasty :)
> >
> > At 07:06 AM 6/15/2013, you wrote:
> >>No Raybob, your wrong. The only thing correct in your last post is that
> >> you
> >>make sugar water, by mixing sugar and water.
> >>
> >>Dave
> >>
> >>Some days...
> >>It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps
> >>
> >>
> >>On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Raybob Bowman
> >> <raybob at tube-tone.com>wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 6/13/2013 10:00 AM,
> >> homeroast-request at lists.**sweetmariascoffee.com<
> homeroast-request at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:52:28 -0400
> >> >> From: Mike Koenig<koenig.mike at gmail.com>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O
> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >> >>
> >> >> "You can't pour water with soluble chemicals through any type of
> filter
> >> >> to
> >> >> make them get out of the water.  Only distillation separates them
> from
> >> >> the
> >> >> water."
> >> >>
> >> >> Wow - so I suppose I was hallucinating the whole time when I observed
> >> >> the
> >> >> purity of my laboratory water which had all the "soluble chemicals"
> >> >> removed
> >> >> by membranes and deionization resin, or my water softener at home
> >> >> doesn't
> >> >> really work either.   And the entire water purification industry has
> >> >> it
> >> >> all
> >> >> wrong and is a huge scam.
> >> >>
> >> >> This argument is futile and I can go no further..
> >> >>
> >> >> --mike
> >> >>
> >> > Mike, if you mix sugar in water, it becomes sugar-water.  You can't
> >> > filter
> >> > out the sugar, it pours right through whatever is in that filter.  How
> >> > can
> >> > a membrane remove sugar?  Can you pee through those membranes and then
> >> > deionize it, then make coffee with it?  I don't think so.  You might
> >> > just
> >> > do that, but there's no way I'd drink it. The ONLY way to remove
> >> > solubles
> >> > from H2O is by distillation.
> >> >
> >> > Raybob
> >> >
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