[Homeroast] Homeroast Digest, Vol 65, Issue 15by Brian Kamnetz

John M. Howison johnmhowison at gmail.com
Sat Jun 15 15:29:45 CDT 2013


I had doubted the existence of a home-roaster household  using even
less coffee than I do.  Seems to me Kamknetz loses a good deal of the
virtue of homeroadsting by using coffee up to two weeks old.  I am
persuaded that with the Fresh Roast 500 I have more control over the
roasting process than any rpt any other homeroasting device, and it
allows me to roast coffee between one and three days old.  For you it
should approach the ideal.


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>    1. Re: postings for June 13th. (Brian Kamnetz)
>    2. Re: Distilled H2O (Raybob Bowman)
>    3. Re: Distilled H2O (Dave)
>    4. Re: Distilled H2O (John Nanci)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 12:42:22 -0500
> From: Brian Kamnetz <bkamnetz at gmail.com>
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> Very interesting post, miKe. I like the inclusiveness of your outlook, that
> coffee Nirvana has big boundaries and it is ok if coffee Nirvana looks
> different for each roaster. I roast only for myself, and drink only one cup
> a day, which means I roast a pound at a time every other week. It would be
> difficult for me to roast enough to learn very much about ramping and so
> forth for different origins. It would be interesting, and I think I would
> enjoy it if it happened, but for me it probably won't happen, and what I do
> will be good enough for me. Ray-O has disappeared, but I think of him often
> when I pull out my Master Appliance heat gun, which he recommended. (I
> think of Rich too, and his 751C Master Appliance heat gun.) This list has
> been a very comfortable place for me over the years.
>
> I would love to make it out there and stop into your shop sometime. It
> won't be soon, though.
>
> brian
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:57 PM, miKe mcKoffee <mckona at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> While I can and do have excellent repeatability with the USCR 3k
>> interesting
>> thing the greatest precision I had (have) roasting began long long ago at
>> about six months into home roasting. And not talking about my Computer
>> Controlled HotTop which came much later. And certainly not B1600 which
>> also
>> came later but very short lived in my Journey. (though still sits on a
>> shelf) Namely with Caffe Rosto after split wiring heater and fan for
>> independent dual variable boosted voltage control and bean temp
>> monitoring.
>> Similar to what Jim Schulman did with his FR same time frame and others
>> did
>> with their roasters be it popcorn popper or off the shelf coffee intended
>> appliance. Could change a ramp rate on dime, I mean lightning fast, with
>> highly accurate and precise control. Not only control but went from a
>> 1/4lb
>> stock rated roaster which initially I ran 1/3lb using Rockin' Rosto
>> technique during drying before voltage boost to 1/2lb batches all the
>> time
>> sans rockin' needed for early bean movement. Throw 142v at the fan and
>> had
>> no problem gittin' 1/2lb greens moving! No tipping, no unevenness etc.
>> AND
>> could (and did for fun) do any profile from 5 minute French to 30 minute
>> Cinnamon. Neither of which I ever did for consumption, just did to do it
>> and
>> fully master control of ubber fast and ubber slow without stalling ramp
>> rates. From 6 months on I began exploring in earnest how varying
>> different
>> ramp rates different stages effected the cup. Over a decade later I know
>> I
>> know but little to nothing. (But am told I'm pretty dang good at faking
>> it
>> :)
>>
>> Nothing wrong with roasting without monitoring bean and environment
>> temps.
>> (Unless looking to best understand what's going and or for
>> repeatability).
>> I
>> have a dedicated carbon steel coffee roasting wok, over the coals fire
>> shaker roaster (forget what it's called at the moment, androk?), have SS
>> fry
>> pan roasted a 1/2lb with no stir chef toss only just for fun loosing only
>> 7
>> beans. While I do have a heat gun have never bothered using it to roast
>> coffee though know I could. It doesn't much matter if you understand a
>> tools
>> capability and know what you're trying to achieve to roast with whatever.
>> However some tools are much easier to get desired consistent results than
>> others!
>>
>> I'm a long time staunch believer the best roasters strive to understand
>> the
>> science to apply the art. One without the other hinders the ability to
>> make
>> each bean sing. IMNSHO.
>>
>> Yet each person's Journey is their Journey. Some travel long and far
>> continually searching new horizons, some stay near the known and
>> comfortable. No path wrong if it's the path you choose. For me it's the
>> Journey not the destination which never is an end just another beginning.
>>
>> It grows late and rest beckons before tomorrow's beans call. Such is an
>> inkling of my philosophy of Coffee and Life.
>>
>> Slave to the Bean miKe mcKoffee
>> www.CompassCoffeeRoasting.com
>> URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
>> http://www.mckoffee.com/
>>
>> Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I
>> must
>> first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal
>> enlightenment
>> found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone
>> before.
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Homeroast [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com] On
>> Behalf Of Brian Kamnetz
>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:17 PM
>> To: A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>> list,available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html
>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] postings for June 13th.
>>
>> miKe,
>>
>> I'm kind of a by guess and by golly kind of guy by nature, and enjoy
>> roasting that way with my heat gun (1# e/o week), but it would sure be
>> fun
>> to have the ability to roast with the precision you have available with
>> your
>> U.S. Roaster (I think I am recalling that correctly) and learn to apply
>> the
>> precision to obtain desired specific results.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:28 PM, miKe mcKoffee <mckona at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > If we can't laugh at ourselves somebody else will!
>> >
>> > FWIW yesterday I roasted a "wee bit" of (washed) Sulawesi Mt.
>> > Pedemeran Toarco Jaya for a special order. A pairing of 101 12oz bags
>> > roasted to 446f (~15:00, 2nd just barely starting as beans left the
>> > drum) and 101 12oz bags roasted 426f (~14:15). 202 12oz bags total,
>> > nice order! An offering I came up with to illustrate and educate their
>> > customers (online subscription based featuring a different roaster
>> > each month) how much the roast level can effect the cup. More specific
>> > profile details upon request. FWIWx2 it was the most I've roasted in
>> > one day so far by one batch :-)
>> >
>> > Slave to the Bean miKe mcKoffee
>> > www.CompassCoffeeRoasting.com
>> > URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
>> > http://www.mckoffee.com/
>> >
>> > Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I
>> > must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal
>> > enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those
>> > who have gone before.
>> >
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>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Homeroast [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com]
>> > On Behalf Of Malvene Lemerick
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 11:10 AM
>> > To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>> > Subject: [Homeroast] postings for June 13th.
>> >
>> > Usually I come here for the great knowledge that you all so willingly
>> > share.
>> > Apparently today I came for the humour. Thanks!   Have a great weekend.
>> > Cheers Malvene
>> >
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> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:03:37 -0700
> From: Raybob Bowman <raybob at tube-tone.com>
> To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O
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> On 6/13/2013 10:00 AM, homeroast-request at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:52:28 -0400
>> From: Mike Koenig<koenig.mike at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O
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>> "You can't pour water with soluble chemicals through any type of filter
>> to
>> make them get out of the water.  Only distillation separates them from
>> the
>> water."
>>
>> Wow - so I suppose I was hallucinating the whole time when I observed the
>> purity of my laboratory water which had all the "soluble chemicals"
>> removed
>> by membranes and deionization resin, or my water softener at home doesn't
>> really work either.   And the entire water purification industry has it
>> all
>> wrong and is a huge scam.
>>
>> This argument is futile and I can go no further..
>>
>> --mike
> Mike, if you mix sugar in water, it becomes sugar-water.  You can't
> filter out the sugar, it pours right through whatever is in that
> filter.  How can a membrane remove sugar?  Can you pee through those
> membranes and then deionize it, then make coffee with it?  I don't think
> so.  You might just do that, but there's no way I'd drink it. The ONLY
> way to remove solubles from H2O is by distillation.
>
> Raybob
>
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> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:06:09 -0700
> From: Dave <dbcraw at gmail.com>
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> No Raybob, your wrong. The only thing correct in your last post is that you
> make sugar water, by mixing sugar and water.
>
> Dave
>
> Some days...
> It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Raybob Bowman
> <raybob at tube-tone.com>wrote:
>
>> On 6/13/2013 10:00 AM,
>> homeroast-request at lists.**sweetmariascoffee.com<homeroast-request at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:52:28 -0400
>>> From: Mike Koenig<koenig.mike at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>
>>> "You can't pour water with soluble chemicals through any type of filter
>>> to
>>> make them get out of the water.  Only distillation separates them from
>>> the
>>> water."
>>>
>>> Wow - so I suppose I was hallucinating the whole time when I observed
>>> the
>>> purity of my laboratory water which had all the "soluble chemicals"
>>> removed
>>> by membranes and deionization resin, or my water softener at home
>>> doesn't
>>> really work either.   And the entire water purification industry has it
>>> all
>>> wrong and is a huge scam.
>>>
>>> This argument is futile and I can go no further..
>>>
>>> --mike
>>>
>> Mike, if you mix sugar in water, it becomes sugar-water.  You can't
>> filter
>> out the sugar, it pours right through whatever is in that filter.  How
>> can
>> a membrane remove sugar?  Can you pee through those membranes and then
>> deionize it, then make coffee with it?  I don't think so.  You might just
>> do that, but there's no way I'd drink it. The ONLY way to remove solubles
>> from H2O is by distillation.
>>
>> Raybob
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> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:22:20 -0700
> From: John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com>
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> Thanks Dave.  So far, I had resisted even putting my teeth on the
> leather straps.  But damn, they do look tasty :)
>
> At 07:06 AM 6/15/2013, you wrote:
>>No Raybob, your wrong. The only thing correct in your last post is that
>> you
>>make sugar water, by mixing sugar and water.
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>Some days...
>>It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Raybob Bowman
>> <raybob at tube-tone.com>wrote:
>>
>> > On 6/13/2013 10:00 AM,
>> homeroast-request at lists.**sweetmariascoffee.com<homeroast-request at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:52:28 -0400
>> >> From: Mike Koenig<koenig.mike at gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Distilled H2O
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>> >>
>> >> "You can't pour water with soluble chemicals through any type of filter
>> >> to
>> >> make them get out of the water.  Only distillation separates them from
>> >> the
>> >> water."
>> >>
>> >> Wow - so I suppose I was hallucinating the whole time when I observed
>> >> the
>> >> purity of my laboratory water which had all the "soluble chemicals"
>> >> removed
>> >> by membranes and deionization resin, or my water softener at home
>> >> doesn't
>> >> really work either.   And the entire water purification industry has
>> >> it
>> >> all
>> >> wrong and is a huge scam.
>> >>
>> >> This argument is futile and I can go no further..
>> >>
>> >> --mike
>> >>
>> > Mike, if you mix sugar in water, it becomes sugar-water.  You can't
>> > filter
>> > out the sugar, it pours right through whatever is in that filter.  How
>> > can
>> > a membrane remove sugar?  Can you pee through those membranes and then
>> > deionize it, then make coffee with it?  I don't think so.  You might
>> > just
>> > do that, but there's no way I'd drink it. The ONLY way to remove
>> > solubles
>> > from H2O is by distillation.
>> >
>> > Raybob
>> >
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