[Homeroast] Distilled H2O

Dennis True dennist3 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 4 15:29:42 CDT 2013


after that I think I will go pollute some water by heating it up and taking
some coffee beans ground up and mixing them together Who's with me?


On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Kirk Janowiak <kirk at angelwoodcreative.com>wrote:

> Let me say, with respect to read each, readings, and general knowledge
> about water and water quality... Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
> Fisheries science (with the associated discipline of water quality and
> water quality management) are part of my professional training.
>
> Two more comments & I am done:
>
> 1. Rainwater is NOT distiller, except in theory. Once the droplets
> are nucleated or cohese to form falling drops, they are already laden with
> carbon dioxide, lowering the pH to just below 6, and then dissolving into
> solution any number of airborne pollutants that may be measured in parts
> per thousand to parts per hundred! YMMV depending on location. Lowest
> levels, as you might expect, are in Antarctica, but even there you'll find
> ppm of DDT and a couple other organics. By comparison, arsenic (not the
> scary toxin it is made out to be) in ground water in high arsenic areas is
> measured in parts per trillion or billion. Too small for even an
> accumulating agent to cause ill effects. I'd NEVER recommend drinking
> rainwater over any but the rarest place I the continental 48. Make mine
> deep limestone aquifer groundwater, please.
>
> 2. If your sources are stating that minerals in water are not taken up
> properly-- and likely trying to get you to accept chelates minerals,
> instead; you should be suspicious of the source.
> >>Moreover, distilled water does attach itself to compounds and leach them,
> but not to minerals that have been incorporated into cells, it leaches
> disposed waste such as salts. <<
>
> Nope. Osmotic potential does not ignore minerals. Sodium, potassium,
> calcium, chlorides, carbonates, and others are carried by water in & out of
> the cell; some through special membrane channels that are there just for
> that purpose. You may call sodium a "waste" or "salt," if you like, but it
> comes into you mainly as the mineral sodium chloride (a salt that is a
> mineral).
>
> Sorry...3rd comment. My point is that for most people in most of our
> country, stuff dissolved in our water is not as bad for them as is often
> reported. In some urbanized areas, taking out lead and organics is a good
> idea, but low energy filtration will preserve the buffering capability of
> the water that is lost through distillation and preserve the healthful
> benefits of the dissolved minerals.
>
> I say with others here, do what you think is best and what tastes best for
> your coffee. We will just have to agree to disagree on the healthful
> benefits of drinking distilled water.
>
> Respectfully,
> Kirk (resident middle of the roader)
>
> On Tuesday, June 4, 2013, J3R wrote:
>
> > On 13-06-04 12:37 AM, Janomac wrote:
> >
> >> Let's see...
> >> There is and never has been anywhere on this earth that distiller water
> >> exists for consumption or use by organisms.
> >>
> > Except perhaps rain?
> >
> >> Just sayin' that a little science goes a long way to help understanding
> >> what our bodies need and how our taste buds respond.
> >> Drink what you like, but don't dis the minerals in your water...your
> body
> >> wants them.
> >>
> >> Kirk (resident biologist and keeper of many critters)
> >>
> >>
> > Interesting, but I believe it to be largely untrue from my research. My
> > water pH is close enough to neutral, I have checked it more than once
> > (because people keep saying that). The mineral question I also do not
> worry
> > about since I take in water in many forms in foods, as we all do, and my
> > diet is quite good. I am certainly not suffering from mineral imbalance.
> I
> > have done my research, and the science I have seen does not agree that
> you
> > need to supplement mineral intake. In fact, most sources I have seen
> state
> > that the minerals in water are not even taken up by your body properly,
> > that minerals are provided almost exclusively by food. Moreover,
> distilled
> > water does attach itself to compounds and leach them, but not to minerals
> > that have been incorporated into cells, it leaches disposed waste such as
> > salts. In fact, most of the additional compounds in water we consider to
> be
> > "healthy" are added during the treatment process.
> >
> > "In terms of mineral nutrients intake, it is unclear what the drinking
> > water contribution is. Inorganic minerals generally enter surface water
> and
> > ground water via storm water runoff or through the Earth's crust.
> Treatment
> > processes also lead to the presence of some minerals. Examples include
> > calcium, zinc, manganese, phosphate, fluoride and sodium compounds.[10]
> > Water generated from the biochemical metabolism of nutrients provides a
> > significant proportion of the daily water requirements for some
> arthropods
> > and desert animals, but provides only a small fraction of a human's
> > necessary intake. There are a variety of trace elements present in
> > virtually all potable water, some of which play a role in metabolism. For
> > example sodium, potassium and chloride are common chemicals found in
> small
> > quantities in most waters, and these elements play a role in body
> > metabolism. Other elements such as fluoride, while beneficial in low
> > concentrations, can cause dental problems and other issues when present
> at
> > high levels." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Drinking_water<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_water>
> >
> > Studies have shown that large amounts of fertilizer and pesticide runoff
> > from farming make their way back into the water supply. Levels of
> > pharmaceutical drugs are found in all major water supplies. Hormones,
> > radium, aluminum, copper, lead, mercury, cadmium, barium, nitrates...
> > Fluoride and chlorine are both harmful and impart a bad taste.
> Radioactive
> > particles are removed through distillation.
> >
> > "In 2010 the EPA showed that 54 active pharmaceutical ingredients and 10
> > metabolites had been found in treated drinking water. An earlier study
> from
> > 2005 by the EPA and the Geographical Survey states that 40% of water was
> > contaminated with nonprescription pharmaceuticals, and it has been
> reported
> > that of the 8 of the 12 most commonly occurring chemicals in drinking
> water
> > are estrogenic hormones.[47] Of the pharmaceutical components found in
> > drinking water, the EPA only regulates lindane and perchlorate. In 2009,
> > the EPA did announce another 13 chemicals, hormones, and antibiotics that
> > could potentially be regulated. The decision on whether or not they are
> > sufficiently harmful to be regulated may not be decided upon until 2012
> as
> > it takes time for testing." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**
> > Drinking_water#United_States<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_water#United_States>
> >
> > The crap left in the distiller is foul and disgusting, it is not just
> > "minerals" by a very long shot. The amount of dissolved minerals in water
> > could never account for this mass. It is organic and inorganic waste, and
> > it smells like it too. It stains the stainless steel. Unless you see this
> > for yourself you don't get it. Go here and look at the list of allowable
> > compounds http://water.epa.gov/drink/**contaminants/index.cfm<
> http://water.epa.gov/drink/contaminants/index.cfm>- you certainly get
> your minerals there! Antimony, arsenic, asbestos, and
> > that is just the A's. Just the fact that these compounds are not entering
> > my body makes my water healthier than normal people's, even if it is
> > "stealing my mineral nutrients" or "disrupting my cells" or whatever the
> > claim is, because arsenic for instance is not very kind to cells either.
> >
> > Many many people drink distilled water, for centuries, without harm. RAIN
> > WATER is distilled water. I don't think most people would try to tell
> > someone that is unhealthy, other than maybe what it picked up on the way
> > down. There are no minerals in rain water.
> >
> > In fact most people I know who drink it think it far superior to any
> > filtering system. The (non-) taste is desirable, the downsides are none
> > that I have ever seen properly elucidated. There is lots of rumour and
> > innuendo about it being dangerous, and while DHMO (http://www.dhmo.org/)
> > is indeed a dangerous substance, distilling it does nothing to make it
> more
> > dangerous.
> >
> > Water is H2O, nothing more, nothing less. If you want added junk in your
> > water, that is great, I don't fault you for it, you have been told time
> and
> > again that it is "healthy" for you. The fact that it is not is easy to
> > demonstrate just with the selections I have included above and below,
> but I
> > leave this as an exercise for the reader.
> >
> > "A major Associated Press investigation now builds on his data. It
> > reported yesterday that although lead remains a serious problem in school
> > drinking water, it’s far from the only one. “The most frequently cited
> > contaminant was coliform bacteria, followed by lead and copper, arsenic
> and
> > nitrates,” AP found. Its reporters pored over a decade’s worth of
> > drinking-water violations racked by the nation’s schools and compiled in
> an
> > Environmental Protection Agency database."
> >
> > "The Times’s research also shows that last year, 40 percent of the
> > nation’s community water systems violated the Safe Drinking Water Act at
> > least once, according to an analysis of E.P.A. data. Those violations
> > ranged from failing to maintain proper paperwork to allowing carcinogens
> > into tap water. More than 23 million people received drinking water from
> > municipal systems that violated a health-based standard."
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/**09/13/us/13water.html?_r=2&**pagewanted=all&
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/us/13water.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&>
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> > Jer
> >
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