[Homeroast] Distilled H2O

Kirk Janowiak kirk at angelwoodcreative.com
Tue Jun 4 14:58:21 CDT 2013

Let me say, with respect to read each, readings, and general knowledge
about water and water quality... Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
Fisheries science (with the associated discipline of water quality and
water quality management) are part of my professional training.

Two more comments & I am done:

1. Rainwater is NOT distiller, except in theory. Once the droplets
are nucleated or cohese to form falling drops, they are already laden with
carbon dioxide, lowering the pH to just below 6, and then dissolving into
solution any number of airborne pollutants that may be measured in parts
per thousand to parts per hundred! YMMV depending on location. Lowest
levels, as you might expect, are in Antarctica, but even there you'll find
ppm of DDT and a couple other organics. By comparison, arsenic (not the
scary toxin it is made out to be) in ground water in high arsenic areas is
measured in parts per trillion or billion. Too small for even an
accumulating agent to cause ill effects. I'd NEVER recommend drinking
rainwater over any but the rarest place I the continental 48. Make mine
deep limestone aquifer groundwater, please.

2. If your sources are stating that minerals in water are not taken up
properly-- and likely trying to get you to accept chelates minerals,
instead; you should be suspicious of the source.
>>Moreover, distilled water does attach itself to compounds and leach them,
but not to minerals that have been incorporated into cells, it leaches
disposed waste such as salts. <<

Nope. Osmotic potential does not ignore minerals. Sodium, potassium,
calcium, chlorides, carbonates, and others are carried by water in & out of
the cell; some through special membrane channels that are there just for
that purpose. You may call sodium a "waste" or "salt," if you like, but it
comes into you mainly as the mineral sodium chloride (a salt that is a

Sorry...3rd comment. My point is that for most people in most of our
country, stuff dissolved in our water is not as bad for them as is often
reported. In some urbanized areas, taking out lead and organics is a good
idea, but low energy filtration will preserve the buffering capability of
the water that is lost through distillation and preserve the healthful
benefits of the dissolved minerals.

I say with others here, do what you think is best and what tastes best for
your coffee. We will just have to agree to disagree on the healthful
benefits of drinking distilled water.

Kirk (resident middle of the roader)

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013, J3R wrote:

> On 13-06-04 12:37 AM, Janomac wrote:
>> Let's see...
>> There is and never has been anywhere on this earth that distiller water
>> exists for consumption or use by organisms.
> Except perhaps rain?
>> Just sayin' that a little science goes a long way to help understanding
>> what our bodies need and how our taste buds respond.
>> Drink what you like, but don't dis the minerals in your water...your body
>> wants them.
>> Kirk (resident biologist and keeper of many critters)
> Interesting, but I believe it to be largely untrue from my research. My
> water pH is close enough to neutral, I have checked it more than once
> (because people keep saying that). The mineral question I also do not worry
> about since I take in water in many forms in foods, as we all do, and my
> diet is quite good. I am certainly not suffering from mineral imbalance. I
> have done my research, and the science I have seen does not agree that you
> need to supplement mineral intake. In fact, most sources I have seen state
> that the minerals in water are not even taken up by your body properly,
> that minerals are provided almost exclusively by food. Moreover, distilled
> water does attach itself to compounds and leach them, but not to minerals
> that have been incorporated into cells, it leaches disposed waste such as
> salts. In fact, most of the additional compounds in water we consider to be
> "healthy" are added during the treatment process.
> "In terms of mineral nutrients intake, it is unclear what the drinking
> water contribution is. Inorganic minerals generally enter surface water and
> ground water via storm water runoff or through the Earth's crust. Treatment
> processes also lead to the presence of some minerals. Examples include
> calcium, zinc, manganese, phosphate, fluoride and sodium compounds.[10]
> Water generated from the biochemical metabolism of nutrients provides a
> significant proportion of the daily water requirements for some arthropods
> and desert animals, but provides only a small fraction of a human's
> necessary intake. There are a variety of trace elements present in
> virtually all potable water, some of which play a role in metabolism. For
> example sodium, potassium and chloride are common chemicals found in small
> quantities in most waters, and these elements play a role in body
> metabolism. Other elements such as fluoride, while beneficial in low
> concentrations, can cause dental problems and other issues when present at
> high levels." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Drinking_water<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_water>
> Studies have shown that large amounts of fertilizer and pesticide runoff
> from farming make their way back into the water supply. Levels of
> pharmaceutical drugs are found in all major water supplies. Hormones,
> radium, aluminum, copper, lead, mercury, cadmium, barium, nitrates...
> Fluoride and chlorine are both harmful and impart a bad taste. Radioactive
> particles are removed through distillation.
> "In 2010 the EPA showed that 54 active pharmaceutical ingredients and 10
> metabolites had been found in treated drinking water. An earlier study from
> 2005 by the EPA and the Geographical Survey states that 40% of water was
> contaminated with nonprescription pharmaceuticals, and it has been reported
> that of the 8 of the 12 most commonly occurring chemicals in drinking water
> are estrogenic hormones.[47] Of the pharmaceutical components found in
> drinking water, the EPA only regulates lindane and perchlorate. In 2009,
> the EPA did announce another 13 chemicals, hormones, and antibiotics that
> could potentially be regulated. The decision on whether or not they are
> sufficiently harmful to be regulated may not be decided upon until 2012 as
> it takes time for testing." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**
> Drinking_water#United_States<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_water#United_States>
> The crap left in the distiller is foul and disgusting, it is not just
> "minerals" by a very long shot. The amount of dissolved minerals in water
> could never account for this mass. It is organic and inorganic waste, and
> it smells like it too. It stains the stainless steel. Unless you see this
> for yourself you don't get it. Go here and look at the list of allowable
> compounds http://water.epa.gov/drink/**contaminants/index.cfm<http://water.epa.gov/drink/contaminants/index.cfm>- you certainly get your minerals there! Antimony, arsenic, asbestos, and
> that is just the A's. Just the fact that these compounds are not entering
> my body makes my water healthier than normal people's, even if it is
> "stealing my mineral nutrients" or "disrupting my cells" or whatever the
> claim is, because arsenic for instance is not very kind to cells either.
> Many many people drink distilled water, for centuries, without harm. RAIN
> WATER is distilled water. I don't think most people would try to tell
> someone that is unhealthy, other than maybe what it picked up on the way
> down. There are no minerals in rain water.
> In fact most people I know who drink it think it far superior to any
> filtering system. The (non-) taste is desirable, the downsides are none
> that I have ever seen properly elucidated. There is lots of rumour and
> innuendo about it being dangerous, and while DHMO (http://www.dhmo.org/)
> is indeed a dangerous substance, distilling it does nothing to make it more
> dangerous.
> Water is H2O, nothing more, nothing less. If you want added junk in your
> water, that is great, I don't fault you for it, you have been told time and
> again that it is "healthy" for you. The fact that it is not is easy to
> demonstrate just with the selections I have included above and below, but I
> leave this as an exercise for the reader.
> "A major Associated Press investigation now builds on his data. It
> reported yesterday that although lead remains a serious problem in school
> drinking water, it’s far from the only one. “The most frequently cited
> contaminant was coliform bacteria, followed by lead and copper, arsenic and
> nitrates,” AP found. Its reporters pored over a decade’s worth of
> drinking-water violations racked by the nation’s schools and compiled in an
> Environmental Protection Agency database."
> "The Times’s research also shows that last year, 40 percent of the
> nation’s community water systems violated the Safe Drinking Water Act at
> least once, according to an analysis of E.P.A. data. Those violations
> ranged from failing to maintain proper paperwork to allowing carcinogens
> into tap water. More than 23 million people received drinking water from
> municipal systems that violated a health-based standard."
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/**09/13/us/13water.html?_r=2&**pagewanted=all&<http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/us/13water.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&>
> Yours,
> Jer
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