[Homeroast] Outlet lost power...

peter zulkowski peterz5743 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 27 12:02:43 CDT 2012

This email only took 3 minutes to get from MA to the list. Pretty quick huh?

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 12:56 PM, peter zulkowski <peterz5743 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Brian, You just reminded me that in my house in AZ one of the outside
> outlets was controlled by the GFI in a far away bathroom!
> But be aware, in this apartment here in MA, not only did I trip the GFI
> which is out on the back porch, which I use to roast, but I burned it out
> and it would not reset :(   (15 Amps only)
> Ymmv.
> There are 20 amp GFI breakers available for your fuse box, and I got one
> for AZ but never got to use it there.
> The land lord suggested that I roast from a non GFI circuit, and for
> practical reasons I agree. Somehow they do not like 12 ga. extension cords
> plugged into them if you use roasters on them.
> In my case the non GFI 20 Amp circuit is right inside the door, and if I
> ever find my 20 amp GFI in my PILE left over from moving I will probably
> install it here in the 20 amp line inside the door. Would be bad to put it
> on a 15 amp line for sure. Wire melting inside walls is very bad for the
> building.
> Thanks for posting your results.
> Happy roasting :)
> PeterZ ( Not in LHC anymore) Happy and cool  now in Rockport, MA
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Brian Kamnetz <bkamnetz at gmail.com>wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I finally have my patio outlet problem figured out.
>> A recap: I moved into a condo at the end of July. The condo has a
>> concrete patio in back with an outlet right next to it. The patio is
>> shaded in the morning and seemed like a good fair-weather place to
>> roast. Shortly after I moved in I roasted a pound on the patio and
>> everything went fine.
>> A couple weeks later I tried to roast again and the outlet was dead.
>> There are a couple switches on the wall inside the patio door and I
>> fiddled with them but it didn't help. I strung a 12-ga extension cord
>> out from an inside outlet and roasted, and came to work and posted my
>> first question. There were many helpful replies, several mentioning
>> GFCI outlets. The patio outlet isn't GFCI, but it was mentioned that
>> several outlets can be strung together with one of them being GFCI and
>> controlling the whole circuit. I have an electric alarm clock with a
>> face that lights up when it is plugged in; I went around with that
>> testing outlets in the house.
>> Right away in the bathroom, which is right next to the patio outlet,
>> there was a GFCI circuit that was blown. I reset it and confidently
>> headed to the patio, but that outlet was still dead. I tried all the
>> others, finding a couple GFCI outlets that were blown, but resetting
>> them did not solve the patio outlet problem.
>> I had checked all the breakers in the breaker box, but advice here was
>> that sometimes a breaker is thrown even though it appears to be ok. I
>> went to the breaker box and reset nearly all of them, but that didn't
>> help either. I was looking at the breaker box again when I noticed a
>> GFCI outlet nearby. It was blown, but resetting it didn't help.
>> Well, a few days later, I tested the patio outlet again, and it was
>> working. I had no idea how that could be, and spent a few days
>> scratching my head. At least I now was able to find out that an inside
>> switch controlled the patio outlet, and I now knew which way was "on".
>> But I didn't know why the outlet worked sometimes and not other times.
>> I've been busy and didn't get back to the problem until this morning.
>> Of course, this time, instead of trying to find something that made
>> the patio outlet work, I was looking for something that turned off
>> power to the outlet. This morning, instead of walking out to the patio
>> with my alarm clock after each change, I ran an extension cord from
>> the patio outlet to inside the condo and plugged in an old boom box
>> radio, so that I could tell immediately if the power was off. That was
>> a BIG time saver. I went around the condo resetting the GFCI outlets,
>> each time listening for the radio to stop, but it didn't, until I went
>> out into the garage and tried the one next to the breaker box. Went
>> back into the condo: No radio. Reset the GFCI, went back into the
>> condo, and the radio was playing. So the riddle was solved.
>> To summarize, the complicating factor of having a switch inside
>> controlling the outside outlet, and also having the outlet controlled
>> by a different GFCI outlet, made it difficult for me to diagnose the
>> problem. But thanks to the advice from you all on the list, I was able
>> to finally figure it out.
>> Thanks again!
>> Brian
>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Rich <rich-mail at octoxol.com> wrote:
>> > Helpful hint... 120vAC 60 Hz is deadly and is more than capable of
>> killing
>> > you quite dead.
>> >
>> >
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