[Homeroast] Outlet lost power...

peter zulkowski peterz5743 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 27 11:56:49 CDT 2012

Brian, You just reminded me that in my house in AZ one of the outside
outlets was controlled by the GFI in a far away bathroom!

But be aware, in this apartment here in MA, not only did I trip the GFI
which is out on the back porch, which I use to roast, but I burned it out
and it would not reset :(   (15 Amps only)
There are 20 amp GFI breakers available for your fuse box, and I got one
for AZ but never got to use it there.
The land lord suggested that I roast from a non GFI circuit, and for
practical reasons I agree. Somehow they do not like 12 ga. extension cords
plugged into them if you use roasters on them.

In my case the non GFI 20 Amp circuit is right inside the door, and if I
ever find my 20 amp GFI in my PILE left over from moving I will probably
install it here in the 20 amp line inside the door. Would be bad to put it
on a 15 amp line for sure. Wire melting inside walls is very bad for the
Thanks for posting your results.
Happy roasting :)
PeterZ ( Not in LHC anymore) Happy and cool  now in Rockport, MA

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Brian Kamnetz <bkamnetz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I finally have my patio outlet problem figured out.
> A recap: I moved into a condo at the end of July. The condo has a
> concrete patio in back with an outlet right next to it. The patio is
> shaded in the morning and seemed like a good fair-weather place to
> roast. Shortly after I moved in I roasted a pound on the patio and
> everything went fine.
> A couple weeks later I tried to roast again and the outlet was dead.
> There are a couple switches on the wall inside the patio door and I
> fiddled with them but it didn't help. I strung a 12-ga extension cord
> out from an inside outlet and roasted, and came to work and posted my
> first question. There were many helpful replies, several mentioning
> GFCI outlets. The patio outlet isn't GFCI, but it was mentioned that
> several outlets can be strung together with one of them being GFCI and
> controlling the whole circuit. I have an electric alarm clock with a
> face that lights up when it is plugged in; I went around with that
> testing outlets in the house.
> Right away in the bathroom, which is right next to the patio outlet,
> there was a GFCI circuit that was blown. I reset it and confidently
> headed to the patio, but that outlet was still dead. I tried all the
> others, finding a couple GFCI outlets that were blown, but resetting
> them did not solve the patio outlet problem.
> I had checked all the breakers in the breaker box, but advice here was
> that sometimes a breaker is thrown even though it appears to be ok. I
> went to the breaker box and reset nearly all of them, but that didn't
> help either. I was looking at the breaker box again when I noticed a
> GFCI outlet nearby. It was blown, but resetting it didn't help.
> Well, a few days later, I tested the patio outlet again, and it was
> working. I had no idea how that could be, and spent a few days
> scratching my head. At least I now was able to find out that an inside
> switch controlled the patio outlet, and I now knew which way was "on".
> But I didn't know why the outlet worked sometimes and not other times.
> I've been busy and didn't get back to the problem until this morning.
> Of course, this time, instead of trying to find something that made
> the patio outlet work, I was looking for something that turned off
> power to the outlet. This morning, instead of walking out to the patio
> with my alarm clock after each change, I ran an extension cord from
> the patio outlet to inside the condo and plugged in an old boom box
> radio, so that I could tell immediately if the power was off. That was
> a BIG time saver. I went around the condo resetting the GFCI outlets,
> each time listening for the radio to stop, but it didn't, until I went
> out into the garage and tried the one next to the breaker box. Went
> back into the condo: No radio. Reset the GFCI, went back into the
> condo, and the radio was playing. So the riddle was solved.
> To summarize, the complicating factor of having a switch inside
> controlling the outside outlet, and also having the outlet controlled
> by a different GFCI outlet, made it difficult for me to diagnose the
> problem. But thanks to the advice from you all on the list, I was able
> to finally figure it out.
> Thanks again!
> Brian
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Rich <rich-mail at octoxol.com> wrote:
> > Helpful hint... 120vAC 60 Hz is deadly and is more than capable of
> killing
> > you quite dead.
> >
> >
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