[Homeroast] Espresso vs. Brew

Dorian Snow dorian_snow at hotmail.com
Mon Apr 2 19:15:44 CDT 2012


I'm with Derek. I love my Aeropress.  I have also turned a few people on to this little gadget, and they are hooked.  For everyday and multiple cups, we brew coffee in a Melitta drip.  But for one cup, I use the Aeropress.  I also have an old piston espresso/capuccino machine that I rarely use.  It takes a while to heat it up, and cleaning the parts is time-consuming.  It's fun to use once in a while, but it mostly collects dust.  If I had not inherited it, I probably wouldn't spend the bucks to buy it.  Only a really good espresso machine works properly, and for that you need to spend money for it.  Same goes for a good burr grinder that makes a consistent grind.  If I had to choose between an excellent grinder and an espresso machine, I'd go for the grinder.   For $25-30 bucks, you can get an Aeropress, and it makes really strong coffee that lets every flavor in your bean shine through.  Dorian
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From: johnmhowison at gmail.com
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:31:25 -0500
Subject: [Homeroast] Espresso vs. Brew

Although I first learned from espresso bars on the Via Veneto that
coffee better than standard swill was possible,  for years I have been
satisfied with the coffee brewed in my kitchen.  My scheme of values
has prevented me from buying a home espresso maker -- which cost as
much as years' supply of beans.
 
In the years I have been a "lister" -- mostly as a lurker -- I have
noticed that listers who brew exchange views largely with others who
brew, and espress-ers (necessarily, I suppose) with espress-ers.  I
have sometimes wondered whether the silence of these latter means they
regard the exchanges among us "home-brewers" with some contempt.
 
Would any of you espress-ers try to persuade me to invest big bucks in
a machine?
 
 
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From: derekbradford at gmail.com
To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 15:01:09 -0300
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso vs. Brew

Are you asking us to persuade you?  We can be very persuasive--Beware...
 
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 2:31 PM, John M. Howison <johnmhowison at gmail.com>wrote:
 
> Although I first learned from espresso bars on the Via Veneto that
> coffee better than standard swill was possible,  for years I have been
> satisfied with the coffee brewed in my kitchen.  My scheme of values
> has prevented me from buying a home espresso maker -- which cost as
> much as years' supply of beans.
>
> In the years I have been a "lister" -- mostly as a lurker -- I have
> noticed that listers who brew exchange views largely with others who
> brew, and espress-ers (necessarily, I suppose) with espress-ers.  I
> have sometimes wondered whether the silence of these latter means they
> regard the exchanges among us "home-brewers" with some contempt.
>
> Would any of you espress-ers try to persuade me to invest big bucks in
> a machine?
>
>
> --
> Contra muros, mater rubicolla
>
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From: edbourgeois at gmail.com
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:12:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso vs. Brew

+1 We'll put! LOL
 
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Derek Bradford <derekbradford at gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you asking us to persuade you?  We can be very persuasive--Beware...
>
> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 2:31 PM, John M. Howison <johnmhowison at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Although I first learned from espresso bars on the Via Veneto that
>> coffee better than standard swill was possible,  for years I have been
>> satisfied with the coffee brewed in my kitchen.  My scheme of values
>> has prevented me from buying a home espresso maker -- which cost as
>> much as years' supply of beans.
>>
>> In the years I have been a "lister" -- mostly as a lurker -- I have
>> noticed that listers who brew exchange views largely with others who
>> brew, and espress-ers (necessarily, I suppose) with espress-ers.  I
>> have sometimes wondered whether the silence of these latter means they
>> regard the exchanges among us "home-brewers" with some contempt.
>>
>> Would any of you espress-ers try to persuade me to invest big bucks in
>> a machine?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Contra muros, mater rubicolla
>>
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From: 137trimethyl26dioxopurine at gmail.com
To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 15:36:36 -0400
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Home Roast contest - Columbus, Ohio

So my wife & I went to the event yesterday - sampled about 10 brews
from various local commercial roasters.
 
Of those we tasted, most were unexciting.    Some were even unpleasant
to taste.    We liked only one sample better than what we had had at
home before driving down town.   (I had roasted Ethiopia Gera Jimma -
Nano Challa - city+ in a very balky Z&D roaster and brewed it in a
Krups Moka Brew.)
 
It seem to me that most samples were brewed weaker than I would have
done - but what do I know?
 
Most were doing Melitta style pour over or Chemex, although one stop
was using a vacuum brewer - even had a balance vacuum brewer on
display, but not in action.
 
The best sample (in our opinion)  was Ethiopia Tchembe from Cafe
Brioso.   Fruit bomb!   I had never heard of that variety.    TOM -
what about that variety???
 
I think there were 10 or 11 homeroasters in the competition.   I don't
remember who won, or with what bean.
 
But anyway we had a good time and hung out with 4 or 5 other home
roasters and traded stories and tips.
 
I hope the North Market does the event again.
 
Dave
 
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Dave Huddle
<137trimethyl26dioxopurine at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.northmarket.com/activities-and-events/2012-03-31/coffee-roast
>
> I don't plan on entering the contest, but I might attend the event just for fun.
>
> Dave
 
 


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From: lutermanb at gmail.com
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:07:53 -0700
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso vs. Brew

Come over to the dark side. We have Biscotti
 
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Edward Bourgeois <edbourgeois at gmail.com>wrote:
 
> +1 We'll put! LOL
>
> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Derek Bradford <derekbradford at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Are you asking us to persuade you?  We can be very persuasive--Beware...
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 2:31 PM, John M. Howison <johnmhowison at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Although I first learned from espresso bars on the Via Veneto that
> >> coffee better than standard swill was possible,  for years I have been
> >> satisfied with the coffee brewed in my kitchen.  My scheme of values
> >> has prevented me from buying a home espresso maker -- which cost as
> >> much as years' supply of beans.
> >>
> >> In the years I have been a "lister" -- mostly as a lurker -- I have
> >> noticed that listers who brew exchange views largely with others who
> >> brew, and espress-ers (necessarily, I suppose) with espress-ers.  I
> >> have sometimes wondered whether the silence of these latter means they
> >> regard the exchanges among us "home-brewers" with some contempt.
> >>
> >> Would any of you espress-ers try to persuade me to invest big bucks in
> >> a machine?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Contra muros, mater rubicolla
> >>
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From: peter at midwestbicycleworks.com
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:33:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso vs. Brew

Well as somebody who primarily brews for drip, i do have an espresso  
machine, too.  I do love my rocky, but a lot of days, it just sits there.   
Is it better no, it is very different.  I do like my Bialetti stovetop  
espresso maker. Mine is from the mid 70s and still works like a charm and I  
think is a great combination of both flavors espresso and drip.  My favorite  
espresso drip was the Tono Alto blend from a couple of years ago.  Those  
were some of the tastiest shots I have ever pulled.  But today, i brewed a  
pot of ethiopia guji something and yummy, i even took a cup over to my  
neighbors and he is an espresso afficianado and even he said that is really  
good.  So no, if you dont want to spend the money that is ok, use the  
biscotti with your favorite brew method.
 
Peter
 
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From: Barry Luterman <lutermanb at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, Apr 1, 2012 17:13:25 EDT
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso vs. Brew
 
Come over to the dark side. We have Biscotti
 
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Edward Bourgeois  
<edbourgeois at gmail.com>wrote:
 
> +1 We'll put! LOL
>
> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Derek Bradford <derekbradford at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Are you asking us to persuade you?  We can be very persuasive--Beware...
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 2:31 PM, John M. Howison <johnmhowison at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Although I first learned from espresso bars on the Via Veneto that
> >> coffee better than standard swill was possible,  for years I have been
> >> satisfied with the coffee brewed in my kitchen.  My scheme of values
> >> has prevented me from buying a home espresso maker -- which cost as
> >> much as years' supply of beans.
> >>
> >> In the years I have been a "lister" -- mostly as a lurker -- I have
> >> noticed that listers who brew exchange views largely with others who
> >> brew, and espress-ers (necessarily, I suppose) with espress-ers.  I
> >> have sometimes wondered whether the silence of these latter means they
> >> regard the exchanges among us "home-brewers" with some contempt.
> >>
> >> Would any of you espress-ers try to persuade me to invest big bucks in
> >> a machine?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Contra muros, mater rubicolla
> >>
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From: derekbradford at gmail.com
To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 21:23:28 -0300
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso vs. Brew

It's been said before but it's worth repeating: espresso is great, but
there are other ways to make coffee just as well, if not better.  I have a
La Spaziale Vivaldi 2 (S1V2) and a Cimbali Max Hybrid grinder.  They make
great coffee.  I've used them every single day I've been home since I got
them 3 years ago, and I've also had good espresso gear before that--seven
years now, give or take.  But consistently, I've always said that if I
couldn't have espresso I'd be just as happy with my Aeropress.  I use it
often and I really enjoy the cup.
 
If you've had great espresso and you really like it, and if you're also
enthusiastic about learning a plethora of fiddly techniques, then by all
means, get some gear (grinder first of course--the espresso mantra).  Good
gear is expensive, and there's quite a learning curve, but I've never
regretted it, and after 7 years I still enjoy it every single time.
 
--Derek
 
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 2:31 PM, John M. Howison <johnmhowison at gmail.com>wrote:
 
> Although I first learned from espresso bars on the Via Veneto that
> coffee better than standard swill was possible,  for years I have been
> satisfied with the coffee brewed in my kitchen.  My scheme of values
> has prevented me from buying a home espresso maker -- which cost as
> much as years' supply of beans.
>
> In the years I have been a "lister" -- mostly as a lurker -- I have
> noticed that listers who brew exchange views largely with others who
> brew, and espress-ers (necessarily, I suppose) with espress-ers.  I
> have sometimes wondered whether the silence of these latter means they
> regard the exchanges among us "home-brewers" with some contempt.
>
> Would any of you espress-ers try to persuade me to invest big bucks in
> a machine?
>
>
> --
> Contra muros, mater rubicolla
>
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From: theotherjo at gmail.com
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:15:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso vs. Brew

It's another Coffee World John. Working with espresso machines offers
experiences not possible with any other brew method. Now I have heard some
say that the coffee produced with the fairly recent MyPressi is not bad. I
first tasted shots pulled by the inventor as he demoed at the 2010 SCAA
after hours Event party held at the Los Angeles Intellegencia party. Not an
arm and a leg for this little hand held unit. Fun on camping trips. Don't
get me wrong though, comparing this to a nice duel boiler espresso machine
is not possible. No question if I could have a home duel boiler La Marzocco
I would. The "Dark" side can temp us once our taste buds have been tickled
with nectar from Zeus's coffee forge.
If you don't have a taste for espresso than by all means stay with brewed
coffee. Many brew systems out there to keep any coffee geek busy. I love
both methods.
Joe
 
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 10:31 AM, John M. Howison <johnmhowison at gmail.com>wrote:
 
> Although I first learned from espresso bars on the Via Veneto that
> coffee better than standard swill was possible,  for years I have been
> satisfied with the coffee brewed in my kitchen.  My scheme of values
> has prevented me from buying a home espresso maker -- which cost as
> much as years' supply of beans.
>
> In the years I have been a "lister" -- mostly as a lurker -- I have
> noticed that listers who brew exchange views largely with others who
> brew, and espress-ers (necessarily, I suppose) with espress-ers.  I
> have sometimes wondered whether the silence of these latter means they
> regard the exchanges among us "home-brewers" with some contempt.
>
> Would any of you espress-ers try to persuade me to invest big bucks in
> a machine?
>
>
> --
> Contra muros, mater rubicolla
>
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>
 
 
 
-- 
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Sasquatch Coffee Roasters
Craft Coffee Roasting by Design
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