[Homeroast] Hot Rod Home Coffee Roasters: The Spirit of Invention, revisited And the elusive 1lber

Edward Bourgeois edbourgeois at gmail.com
Sun Jul 17 13:13:00 CDT 2011


Thanks Greg,
I admit I struggled a bit to not sound like an old fart rant. But do
think that Hot rods and the ideas that create them can then be
hopefully stolen (in a good way) and lead to future better off the
shelf models.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Greg Hammond <greg.hammond at mac.com> wrote:
> Ah, yes, where's the purity? Ed is right on one level (there is never enough "can do" to go around), but I tend to see the overall issue differently.  This sounds so much like the audio industry--"whatever happened to people willing to study and build their own tube amps?"—or cars (whatever happened to people who could change their own oil or actually work on their engine?).  I even read an editorial bewailing the loss of special status associate with being a Mac user now that Apple is a CE giant. Oh please.
>
> And the beer brewing hobby? It used to be a joke. Now it is not. And the sophistication of the off-the-shelf offerings is a direct resut of commercialization of early individualized efforts and the explosion of the craft brew industry.
>
> Part of what happened is that successive generations of both the market and the hobbyists have changed. I used to design and build audio equipment. Now I buy it. If I had to rely on people to keep doing what I did, well, there wouldn't be many choices. No market can survive long in pioneer mode alone. It needs to grow. And growth implies more ready-to-use solutions. So, yes, by all means, let's encourage the pioneer inventor/developer, but the reality is that market success is possible only when we eventually get past that as the primary development mechanism.
>
> We need more competitive versions of Quests and Behmors to help pull more novices in, to make it easy to roast. And we need more graduates of Behmors to bring $15k roaster prices down to $4500. We get that only with a bigger market. I enjoy the heck out of my Behmor. With all the workarounds and profile overlaps, and blending, I get some stuff that I just cannot buy anywhere. And all this workaround and the original inventiveness is great for learning.
>
> So, please keep developing, but personally, I want an off the shelf auto roaster that I can plug into a 20-amp circuit, and start using after ordering it 2 days earlier through Amazon prime.
>
> On Jul 17, 2011, at 9:34, Edward Bourgeois <edbourgeois at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.sweetmarias.com/homemade-homeroasters.php
>>
>> The world of roasters has changed in the mere 6 year since I started.
>> I contend that how many think about roasters and roasting has changed
>> also.
>> When I started there wasn't much for off the shelf roasters compared
>> to now.  There was a lot of new DIY builds and modifying what did
>> exist like MiKe's
>> modified Rosto setup. The conversations were much around how  beans
>> needed to be treated during roasting, what sort of control was
>> helpful,  the fundamentals of various approaches, etc.
>> Now it seems discussions are around P choices, roaster work-arounds
>> and when is there going to be a cheap 120v true 1lber and with no
>> needs for work-arounds on the market.
>> I get numerous requests of either, will you build me a Dreamroast? Or
>> do you think I could build one? I answer no to the first thanks to a
>> talking to by my lawyer friend and I just don't know how to answer the
>> second.
>> In the past, it seemed that folks would study up on roastering and
>> bean fundamentals, work up a plan, give it a go and ask for advice as
>> questions/problems arose. I named my roaster the Dreamroast because it
>> took me a year+ to come up with a design and sort through piles to
>> junk to find parts for the build. I'd do my thinking at night and
>> often wake up in the morning with ideas that I couldn't remember
>> whether they came to mind while I was still awake or in a dreams. Thus
>> it's my Dreamroaster.
>> I'm not saying our "spirit of invention" is gone but I do wonder if it
>> has changed from the purity of purpose and can do attitude it once
>> was.
>> My guess is the elusive off the shelf, highly controllable, 1lber, for
>> cheap many desire, though possible, will not come to market anytime
>> soon.  Maybe it's time to rekindle the spirit of DIY invention and
>> that can do attitude.
>>
>> --
>> Ed Bourgeois aka farmroast
>> Amherst MA.
>> http://coffee-roasting.blogspot.com/
>>
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