[Homeroast] Quest M3?

Robert Yoder robotyonder at hotmail.com
Sat Jul 16 18:43:59 CDT 2011


How about selling plans?  Would that protect you from the sharks? Happy Roasting, robert yoder
 > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 18:53:00 -0400
> From: edbourgeois at gmail.com
> To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Quest M3?
> 
> I agree, I had considered making a few  Dreamroasts to offer. Then I
> talked with my Lawyer friend. You either go all the way or stay happy
> with your own. There's no in-between that allows you to sleep well.
> Even the old selling as kit work around is no longer a way to avoid
> getting hauled into court. from what I was told.
> 
> Someone on H-B attached a heat gun to the M3 to increase batch size
> some.  But I'm not sure the solid drum is big enough to add an element
> and get enough extra heat transfer to increase the batch size very
> much.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 6:21 PM, John Nanci <john at chocolatealchemy.com> wrote:
> > Yes, that is true.  It has a 45 rpm motor.
> >
> > To answer the 'make it and they will buy it' card, all I can say is I'm busy
> > with Chocolate Alchemy.  And I don't have the $1000's (or 10-100's thereof)
> > to bring one to market.  Then we talk insurance - or lack thereof because it
> > couldn't get certified.  Nope, no way would I play that round of Russian
> > roulette.  And certification and insurance from the best I can tell is why
> > there isn't one out there.  It's why I make my own and am happy there.
> >
> > But I'll circle it around to the M3 at 1 lb - it's not certified already(and
> > what happens if someone has a fire and yelled lawsuit? I don't really want
> > to think about that) but should be able to be ramped up to handle 1 lb.
> >  Then again, having not seen one, I don't know if the drum could handle it.
> >
> > Alchemist John
> >
> > At 11:47 AM 7/16/2011, you wrote:
> >>
> >> Alchemist, besides extra heating element didn't/doesn't your modified
> >> Behmor
> >> also have a faster drum motor which would give better bean movement hence
> >> better convection than the anemic 6rpm stock motor?
> >>
> >> IIRC your roaster is a custom job with insulated roast chamber. If you
> >> believe it can be duplicated in an efficient, affordable 1lb 110v 15A
> >> model,
> >> go for it and sell it! I know, easier said than done. But highly likely IS
> >> a
> >> decent market for a $1-$2k 1lb 110V 15A quality roaster. Just gotta wonder
> >> if so why there isn't one out there. Heck there are those supposed 3lb
> >> 110V
> >> 15A Homer roasters on eBay for $239 etc., not that I'd trust them...
> >>
> >> miKe
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> >> > [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com] On
> >> > Behalf Of John Nanci
> >> > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:06 AM
> >> > To: A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules
> >> > for this list,available at
> >> > http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html
> >> > Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Quest M3?
> >> >
> >> > You are telling that true.
> >> >
> >> > OTOH, I guess why I was wondering out loud is that my roaster is 20
> >> > amps (heaters, motor and fan included), is at partial power (60-70%)
> >> > when smoke suppression would be needed, and does without effort 1.5
> >> > lbs.  1 lb at 15 amps based on that seems more than feasible,
> >> > especially one without any safety controls (I mention that because
> >> > many of the Behmor's limitation are ETL imposed for general consumer
> >> > safety regs).  As it is, I had a modified Behmor on the bench that
> >> > does just that.  Extra element when the after burners are off (at the
> >> > beginning of the roast), and no temperature limits, and it cranks
> >> > through 1 lb in 10-11 minutes on 15 amps.
> >> >
> >> > Not looking for an argument, just musing out loud.
> >> >
> >> > Alchemist John
> >> >
> >> > At 10:37 AM 7/16/2011, you wrote:
> >> > >Yup, and that technology ain't cheap. Could highly likely
> >> > make an excellent
> >> > >efficient 1lb 110V 15A and smokeless at that roaster, but
> >> > what market is
> >> > >there for a $5-$10k 1lb roaster?!
> >> > >
> >> > >Slave to the Bean  miKe mcKoffee
> >> > >www.CompassCoffeeRoasting.com
> >> > >URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
> >> > >http://www.mckoffee.com/
> >> > >
> >> > >Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path.
> >> > To know I must
> >> > >first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each
> >> > Personal enlightenment
> >> > >found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who
> >> > have gone before.
> >> > >
> >> > >Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archives
> >> > >http://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> >> > > > [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com] On
> >> > > > Behalf Of Edward Bourgeois
> >> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 8:47 AM
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The heating  and closed exhaust system similar to the Loring would
> >> > > > seem like the direction to go.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:32 AM, miKe mcKoffee
> >> > > > <mcKona at comcast.net> wrote:
> >> > > > > I tend to agree. While a 1lb capacity 110V 15A roaster
> >> > > > "can" be made, as
> >> > > > > evidenced by the Behmor, just doesn't seem viable with good
> >> > > > response or
> >> > > > > control at an affordable price point.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Seems theoretically might be possible since a good response
> >> > > > 1lb roaster like
> >> > > > > the USRC .5k uses a max 5,000 BTU gas burner and 5k BTU =
> >> > > > 1464W = 13.3A
> >> > > > > @110V, that's just the heater. Add the drum motor, fan and
> >> > > > any electronic
> >> > > > > controls pushing over the 110V 15A magic number. Now if it
> >> > > > was designed with
> >> > > > > cutting edge methods that recycle exhaust air back to
> >> > > > roasting likely could
> >> > > > > be done, but back to affordability.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Slave to the Bean  miKe mcKoffee
> >> > > > > www.CompassCoffeeRoasting.com
> >> > > > > URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
> >> > > > > http://www.mckoffee.com/
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path.
> >> > > > To know I must
> >> > > > > first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each
> >> > > > Personal enlightenment
> >> > > > > found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who
> >> > > > have gone before.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archives
> >> > > > > http://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > >> From: homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> >> > > > >> [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com] On
> >> > > > >> Behalf Of Edward Bourgeois
> >> > > > >> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:56 AM
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> It would have to be 220v and it's a very small shop so
> >> > > > >> unlikely from my view.
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Michael Vanecek
> >> > > > <mike at mjv.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> > Does anyone know if Quest is going to come out with a 1lb
> >> > > > >> or half-kilo
> >> > > > >> > version of their little Quest M3?
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > Be well,
> >> > > > >> > Mike
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > --
> >> > > > >> > Zone 8, Texas
> >> > > > >> --
> >> > > > >> Ed Bourgeois aka farmroast
> >> > > > >> Amherst MA.
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> >> > > > >>
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