[Homeroast] OT: 4th of July drool

Mike Chester mchet at charter.net
Mon Jul 4 11:33:42 CDT 2011

Absolutely agree.  I am a certified BBQ judge with the Kansas City BBQ 
Society the largest sanctioning organization in the US for BBQ contests.  I 
have taken classes in their standards and how to properly judge BBQ and miKe 
is absolutely correct about rib tenderness.  A rib with the meat falling off 
the bone will receive lower marks as overcooked. When you bite a properly 
cooked rib, the meat will be tender but will not pull off of the bone.  When 
you look at it, there should be a perfect impression of your bite remaining 
in the piece.  We give 3 scores for each entry; appearance, tenderness 
(which I prefer to call texture) and flavor.  These scores are weighted 
differently with flavor being the most important, but no matter how good it 
tastes, you have no chance of winning unless the other scores are decent.
The only thing that miKe said that I slightly disagree with is he stated 
absolute temperatures for doneness and each piece of meat cooks differently 
with some getting done at a lower or higher temp.  I know that he was only 
giving average finish temps, but he did not say that.  It sounds like a 
smart ass answer, but the correct answer to how long do I cook it or to what 
temp, is "Cook it until it's done."  In a butt, you should be able to poke a 
fork into the meat and twist it with relatively little resistance.  If it is 
a bone-in roast, the bone should slide out easily.  For ribs, when you pick 
up the slab, it should sag and just begin to crack where the support ends. 
If a piece breaks off, it is over done.  If it sticks straight out, it is 
not done enough.
I also agree on sauce.  A properly cooked piece of meat can stand on its own 
and sauce is just a condiment to enhance the flavor.  A good sauce cannot 
save a poorly cooked piece of meat, but a bad sauce or too much sauce can 
ruin a good piece of meat.  The biggest mistake people make is drowning the 
meat in sauce, so all you can taste is sauce.
Having said all this, home cooking is not the same as competition cooking, 
and its beauty is you can do it exactly how you like it.  If you prefer 
falling off the bone tender, cook them that way.  If you prefer your butt 
sliceable instead of pull-able, cook it less.  (some comp cooks submit 
sliced butt rather than pulled and it is perfectly acceptable, but the 
margin for error is smaller with sliced, so most pull or chop their butts)

Mike Chester

-----Original Message----- 
From: miKe mcKoffee
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 3:48 AM
To: 'A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for 
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] OT: 4th of July drool

Glad you enjoyed your babybacks. There's a fine line between falling of the
bone and being able to twist the bone free with meat having good texture.
Ribs to get really good texture and smoke infusion take 4 to 6 hours low &
slow depending on the type of rib. (Babyback vs St. Louis mostly for pork)
Higher temp grilling is for finishing a glaze. Yes, I AM a Q snob :) And
there's oft' more than one way to skin a cat!

Get yourself to Q competition sometime and you'll see what I mean. Flavor
counts most assuredly, and part of eating enjoyment is proper texture. And
seasoning is king. Unlike what commercials say, sauce doesn't make the Q,
it's like a garnishment. FWIW a good Q restaurant doesn't take short cuts
like pressure cooking just so the meat falls off the bone but yes some do,
just not good ones. A good rib isn't mushy (too high finish temp or cooked
under pressure or foil wrapped which can work ok but not too long and not
the way I rock), isn't overly chewy either (too low finish temp and/or too
fast cook). The meat is buttery moist yet with a good chew texture. Same for
pulled pork, which doesn't need cutting, couldn't if you wanted to,
literally pulls apart. But ribs a bit more texture, more firmness, than
pulled pork. ('bout 5f finish lower ie 195f for ribs 200f for butts)

Unless you like yours different with lots of chew then disregard all of the
above, just don't enter 'em in a competition!

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com] On
> Behalf Of Terry Stockdale
> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:31 PM
> To: A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules
> for this list,available at
> http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html; Terry Stockdale
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] OT: 4th of July drool
> My son has to work Monday afternoon & evening, so we had our cookout
> today (Sunday).  Three slabs of babyback ribs, dusted with
> kosher salt
> and fine black pepper, seared on the gas grill (total about
> 14 minutes
> with lots of movement and turning, with smoke, too), then off to one
> side of the grill while two burners on the other end applied indirect
> heat for another 70 minutes.  One of those two burners was under the
> smoker box, applying some flame to the wild cherry chunks that I used
> for flavoring.  No sauce.  Just meat, salt, pepper, heat and smoke.
> These were some of the best ribs I've ever had, let alone cooked.  A
> long time ago, I became a coffee snob courtesy of the
> homeroasting the
> good stuff from Sweet Maria's.  I can tolerate coffee "out"
> but seldom
> order it in restaurants.  I've  become a rib snob, too - same
> thing, I
> can tolerate ribs at restaurants, but find that most restaurants
> concentrate on "falling off the bone" and not flavor.  Ugh.
> Once the meal was over, I sat back to enjoy a single origin
> espresso of
> Brazil Joao de Campos Yellow Catuai.  Yum.  I've been using it for
> Americano's until now.  The kitchen is progressing - new cabinets are
> in, countertops and floors not yet, so the Vivaldi II is still idle.
> Good thing I didn't sell my Silvia!
> Terry Stockdale
> http://terrystockdale.com/coffee
> On 7/3/2011 6:38 PM, Yakster wrote:
> > Sounds great.
> >
> > Neighbor gave me a bag of apricots, so I'm making a sauce
> for the chicken.
> > Smoking ribs, grilling sausage and veggies and some corn
> and taking over
> > some coffee to brew tomorrow.
> >
> > Gotta clean up the grill, but it's just still so got here.
> Watching anime
> > in the yard projected on a sheet helps when it's cooler outside.
> >
> > Happy Fourth, all.
> >
> > -Chris
> >
> > Pecked out on my mobile phone.
> > On Jul 3, 2011 4:31 PM, "miKe mcKoffee"<mcKona at comcast.net>  wrote:
> >
> >
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