[Homeroast] freshness of greens

miKe mcKoffee mckona at comcast.net
Sat Dec 17 22:54:30 CST 2011

No need to be embarrassed Ed. At one time when purely a home roaster I'd set
my "limit" at 100lb stash. But it went over so I changed my "limit" to
100keys. And it still went over! IIRC it was 6 or 8 years ago peaked at 63
different greens weighing in 270 something pounds, don't remember the exact
figure and not going to search the list archives! It was also around the
same time I concluded a 4 year 5 crop cycle vac'd at room temp storage test
using Costa Rica La Minita. And after that test proved just vac'ing at room
temp not good enough for even a couple years when I started testing vac
freezing greens and found it worked marvelously just as freezing roasts had
worked marvelously for me over 2 decades now. Funny how 3 year old and older
vac'd beans taste "baggy" like burlap when not stored in burlap! And while
the 2 year old vac'd room temp was showing major signs of degrading it still
out cupped that year's current crop La Minita, obviously not a good year for
Costa Rica. The one year vac'd was the best. Oh, samples of the test set
sent to Tom to cup so not just my palate doing the tasting BTW.

How times change. In the last 3 days roasted more than my way back then
"over sized stash"! (busy running around shopping and other owner duties for
our 3 locations so only roasted 3 critically needed batches yesterday)
Before the end of this coming week will have roasted more than double that
stash :)

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[mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com] On Behalf Of Edward
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] freshness of greens

I've been very satisfied with my storage process. I like all kinds of
origins and processes so it helps having an extensive stash. Though I'd be a
bit embarrassed to say how extensive it is  ;-). I tend to buy 5-20lbs when
something really catches my interest.

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 8:26 PM, sci <scizen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Two subjects sure to start a discussion among homeroasters: pre and 
> post roast bean storage.
> I fully understand Tom's perspective, and wish I had it, but it's 
> different than the average homeroaster I think. At least different 
> than mine. I do have a need and a desire to grab beans that I love and 
> hold on to them a while. a long while. I do use vacuum sealers and I 
> have a non-defrosting [important] deep freeze. I stored some legendary IMV
from 2007 for 4 years.
> I roasted it and it was still stupendously fruited with its vaunted 
> "blueberry pancake syrup" notes! Had it lost any flavor. Probably. Did 
> I care? Nope. How else was I supposed to get a cup of 07 IMV in 2011, 
> and to what would I be able to compare it except my memory and notes? 
> I bought a bunch of the Koratie DP because it was even better, and I 
> still have about
> 3 lbs in the deep stash. Ok, yes I'm an Ethipoian DP nut, but aren't 
> we all some kind of nut? Tom has coffee galore, coffee I can only 
> dream about, samples from all over the Earth, stuff we'll never taste, 
> and an endless stream of fresh lots he may never even sell. But I know 
> what I like, and when it comes along, I'm gonna stock up on it. I can 
> only thank you Tom for finding it for us.
> Ivan
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> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:30:00 -0800
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> That is what I claimed when I started in 1997, knowing little but what 
> people said in the trade. Those people were wrong, basically.
> It's really about the climate it is stored in, changes in heat and 
> moisture/humidity, and how you store it. Let's say here in the SF Bay 
> area, which is pretty ideal. 2 years in jute would be totally baggy 
> tasting. Everyone would notice it. 2 years in Grainpro barrier bags or 
> vacuum pack would be faded and definitely noticeable by most people. 
> Perhaps the only way would be vacuum packed and frozen (in a real 
> freezer too). George Howell does this with success at Terroir coffee. 
> I have some tests under way in this too, but it is a moot point 
> because I usually don't want a coffee that long anyway - there are too 
> many new things to try to want to store old stuff and dedicate a 
> freezer to that... Anyway, in a dramatically dry climate, Arizona, 
> which also has monsoon season basically, nothing can save green coffee 
> - no packaging except (perhaps) the vac pack frozen. I have tasted 
> green coffee that is already off/tainted after 6 weeks from a climate 
> like that!
>>Can someone remind me of how long you typically can keep green coffee 
>>beans before they get stale.  Was it that they are typically stale two 
>>years after being harvested?
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