[Homeroast] "NO" to kopi

g paris p pchforever at gmail.com
Tue Aug 9 10:05:17 CDT 2011


Hey Brad:

Thanks for the reply.
I agree. To force feed an animal what it does not eat naturally is simply
wrong! Period.
Tom wrote an interesting piece with pictures on the forum.
http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=454&sid=33d9ed25b0fd7ec82da4933a724004a7&p=13425#p13425

ginny


On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Brad Byford <bbyford at charter.net> wrote:

> If you buy the coffee, you're funding the Kopi market, so what I'm saying
> is: From what I've read so far, I wouldn't buy this coffee because of how
> its popularity has led to the mistreatment of the Civet. The post I was
> referring to was the one about "saying no to kopi" by Ed. He said " Even if
> we inform about the caging, poor quality and scams of kopi with no kopi I
> wonder if we are still perpetuating the curiosity." I should clear things
> up
> by saying: I want to see every post, because to me, all the opinions are
> valuable. I don't want the thread locked in other words. I'm not an animal
> rights advocate, because I believe in a hierarchy of nature. Animals eat
> vegetation, I eat animals. But force-feeding a Civet in a small cage
> without
> killing it to harvest its meat (and/or other parts) is inhumane. It lives
> there suffering. I don't like that. So I don't support it. I don't have a
> problem with harvesting livestock as long as the death is quick and
> painless, and their parts are not wasted. That's not to say I have a
> problem
> with the choices of my vegan friends either. I just want some of my protein
> to come from meat. I think it's healthier to not rule it out completely.
> But
> I'm now going off topic if I haven't already.
>
> Brad
>
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>
> bbyford:
>
> new to the list or not, no big deal. no one is asking you to FUND any
> market. "posting about the subject perpetuates curiosity." NO, it cannot be
> true bbyford!
>
> I am sure there are members who LOVE kopi but all the sales talk in the
> world doesn't perpetuate a sale as you so clearly mention.
>
> could you please repeat what you said?  I am not clear on your actual
> position on with this clear violation of animal rights.
>
> thanks,
>
> ginny
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:25 AM, <bbyford at charter.net> wrote:
>
> > I'm new to the list, and I'd like to say I've learned enough from the
> > recent posts to make me not want to fund this market. I agree that
> posting
> > about the subject perpetuates curiosity, but that's a good thing. It
> makes
> > me want to verify the claims about caging etc. It doesn't perpetuate a
> sale
> > by any means. At least not to me.
> >
> >
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