[Homeroast] Homeroast Digest, Vol 29, Issue 26-MOKA POT ODOR

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Tue Jun 29 12:42:03 CDT 2010


I'm so glad you asked the question about the moka pot odor. I too have noted this. I think its less in a stainless steel than in an aluminum one. I also think it may have something to do with the gasket. 

I too have tried baking soda, took everything apart, simple green, bleach based bathroom cleaner, etc. Its tolerable in the stainless steel, and the simple green seemed to help-but it does cause me to only use the moka pot minimally. 

There is zero residue in my pot-so I have little understanding of where the taste/smell comes from. 
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Bulk Grinder for Drip (Edward Bourgeois)
   2. Re: Bulk Grinder for Drip (Edward Bourgeois)
   3. Removing stale coffee smell from filter basket of	Bialetti
      Moka pot? (Angelica M)
   4. Re: Bulk Grinder for Drip (Maxwell Heathcott)
   5. Re: Bulk Grinder for Drip (Joseph Robertson)
   6. Re: Bulk Grinder for Drip (Joseph Robertson)
   7. Re: Bulk Grinder for Drip (Doug Hoople)
   8. Re: Bulk Grinder for Drip (Doug Hoople)
   9. Re: Bulk Grinder for Drip (Doug Hoople)
  10. Re: Removing stale coffee smell from filter basket of
      Bialetti Moka pot? (Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee)
  11. Re: Bulk Grinder for Drip (Brian Kamnetz)
  12. Re: Sucky decaf (raymanowen at gmail.com)
  13. Re: Sucky decaf (Rich)
  14. Re: Bulk Grinder for Drip (Bob Glasscock)
  15. Re: Sucky decaf (miKe mcKoffee)
  16. Re: Sucky decaf (Edward Bourgeois)
  17. Roast goes stale fast (michael kaericher)
  18. Re: Roast goes stale fast (Yakster)
  19. Re: hmmm, another coffee scam??? (John A C Despres)
  20. Re: Roast goes stale fast (michael kaericher)
  21. Re: Roast goes stale fast (Lynne)
  22. Re: Roast goes stale fast (Ryan M. Ward)
  23. Re: Roast goes stale fast (Peter Louton)
  24. Re: Roast goes stale fast (Yakster)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:08:35 -0400
From: Edward Bourgeois <edbourgeois at gmail.com>
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	<homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Bulk Grinder for Drip
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I just checked my Grindmaster burrs (good excuse to clean them) and
they are the same as the Grindmaster I linked above but the Bunn sets
I've seen lately are like the Bunn set I linked and are more similar
to a espresso cut just that that channels are more oval shaped with a
larger release area.

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Bryan Wray
<bwray_thatcoffeeguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> That's strange to me... but hey, there it is!? I've never seen those burrs in a Grindmaster before, just the ones that are pictured for the Bunn grinder.
>
> ... now I'm curious as to why...
>
> -bry
>
> _______________________
>
> Bryan Wray
>
> Nor'West Coffee
>
> 360.831.1480
>
> Bryan at NorWestCoffee.com
>
>
>
> It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art- Chris Owens
>
> --- On Mon, 6/28/10, Edward Bourgeois <edbourgeois at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Edward Bourgeois <edbourgeois at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Bulk Grinder for Drip
> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this list, available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html" <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 8:25 AM
>
> For those interested here is a picture of the Bunn burr cut.
> http://www.etundra.com/Burr_Set_Kit-P16741.html
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Edward Bourgeois
> <edbourgeois at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ed
>> Here is a link with picture.
>> http://www.cw-usa.com/parts-grindmaster-commercial-grinding-burr-set.html
>> ?I'm not sure if Grindmaster calls them crushing burrs but that's been
>> the term generally used. They definitely have a different design.
>> Ed B.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Ed Needham <beans at homeroaster.com> wrote:
>>> "I then found that Grindmasters use crushing burrs where Bunn uses cutting
>>> burrs."
>>> Ed, just curious where you got this information. ?It's been a while since I
>>> looked into grinders, but in the past, Bunn grinders were all made by
>>> Grindmaster here in Louisville and were no different than other Grindmaster
>>> and rebranded grinders made by Grindmaster. ?Things may have changed, but
>>> this is the first I've ever heard of a 'crushing grinder' except for the big
>>> industrial roller grinders.
>>> What would a crushing grinder burr look like? vs. a cutting burr? ?I've only
>>> seen the cutting burrs, flat and conical. ?Of course the cheapie Walmart
>>> burr grinders are not sharp and pretty much crush more than cut, but we're
>>> not talking about those.
>>> *********************
>>> Ed Needham
>>> "to absurdity and beyond!"
>>> http://www.homeroaster.com
>>> *********************
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Bourgeois"
>>> <edbourgeois at gmail.com>
>>> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>>> list,available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
>>> <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 10:21 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Bulk Grinder for Drip
>>>
>>>
>>>> I got hold of a Grindmaster shortly after I build my roaster for the
>>>> occasional need to grind a bag for a customer. I then found that
>>>> Grindmasters use crushing burrs where Bunn uses cutting burrs. I've
>>>> been looking for a steal on a used Bunn with burrs in great condition
>>>> but no luck yet. I thought I would then try some sifting and
>>>> comparisons and keep the one I preferred. This topic has come up a few
>>>> times on H-B and it has been thought that the Bunn cutting burrs are a
>>>> better choice. I've also asked about what has been used in Europe over
>>>> time for coffee as we see many espresso grinders but much fewer coffee
>>>> examples. The Mahlkoenig and Ditting are what come to mind. I've tried
>>>> to find out if Mazzer did a coffee grinder or had a different burr set
>>>> but it seems they don't. In the US we see lots of commercial coffee
>>>> grinders but why so few from other countries? What is traditionally
>>>> used in the rest of world for grinding coffee in commercial settings?
>>>> Some hand mills definitely have courser burr cuts than others but are
>>>> great for a dripper but not designed for grinding larger quantities..
>>>> --
>>>> Ed Bourgeois aka farmroast
>>>> Amherst MA.
>>>> http://coffee-roasting.blogspot.com/
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:15:22 -0400
From: Edward Bourgeois <edbourgeois at gmail.com>
To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
	list,	available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
	<homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Bulk Grinder for Drip
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To add, I've had my Grindmaster 835 for about 5 years and it was used
when I got it. Can't find a date on it and the serial # 158424PA and
not sure any of the numbers indicate the year.

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Edward Bourgeois <edbourgeois at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just checked my Grindmaster burrs (good excuse to clean them) and
> they are the same as the Grindmaster I linked above but the Bunn sets
> I've seen lately are like the Bunn set I linked and are more similar
> to a espresso cut just that that channels are more oval shaped with a
> larger release area.
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Bryan Wray
> <bwray_thatcoffeeguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> That's strange to me... but hey, there it is!? I've never seen those burrs in a Grindmaster before, just the ones that are pictured for the Bunn grinder.
>>
>> ... now I'm curious as to why...
>>
>> -bry
>>
>> _______________________
>>
>> Bryan Wray
>>
>> Nor'West Coffee
>>
>> 360.831.1480
>>
>> Bryan at NorWestCoffee.com
>>
>>
>>
>> It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art- Chris Owens
>>
>> --- On Mon, 6/28/10, Edward Bourgeois <edbourgeois at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Edward Bourgeois <edbourgeois at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Bulk Grinder for Drip
>> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this list, available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html" <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
>> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 8:25 AM
>>
>> For those interested here is a picture of the Bunn burr cut.
>> http://www.etundra.com/Burr_Set_Kit-P16741.html
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Edward Bourgeois
>> <edbourgeois at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Ed
>>> Here is a link with picture.
>>> http://www.cw-usa.com/parts-grindmaster-commercial-grinding-burr-set.html
>>> ?I'm not sure if Grindmaster calls them crushing burrs but that's been
>>> the term generally used. They definitely have a different design.
>>> Ed B.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Ed Needham <beans at homeroaster.com> wrote:
>>>> "I then found that Grindmasters use crushing burrs where Bunn uses cutting
>>>> burrs."
>>>> Ed, just curious where you got this information. ?It's been a while since I
>>>> looked into grinders, but in the past, Bunn grinders were all made by
>>>> Grindmaster here in Louisville and were no different than other Grindmaster
>>>> and rebranded grinders made by Grindmaster. ?Things may have changed, but
>>>> this is the first I've ever heard of a 'crushing grinder' except for the big
>>>> industrial roller grinders.
>>>> What would a crushing grinder burr look like? vs. a cutting burr? ?I've only
>>>> seen the cutting burrs, flat and conical. ?Of course the cheapie Walmart
>>>> burr grinders are not sharp and pretty much crush more than cut, but we're
>>>> not talking about those.
>>>> *********************
>>>> Ed Needham
>>>> "to absurdity and beyond!"
>>>> http://www.homeroaster.com
>>>> *********************
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Bourgeois"
>>>> <edbourgeois at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
>>>> list,available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
>>>> <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 10:21 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Bulk Grinder for Drip
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I got hold of a Grindmaster shortly after I build my roaster for the
>>>>> occasional need to grind a bag for a customer. I then found that
>>>>> Grindmasters use crushing burrs where Bunn uses cutting burrs. I've
>>>>> been looking for a steal on a used Bunn with burrs in great condition
>>>>> but no luck yet. I thought I would then try some sifting and
>>>>> comparisons and keep the one I preferred. This topic has come up a few
>>>>> times on H-B and it has been thought that the Bunn cutting burrs are a
>>>>> better choice. I've also asked about what has been used in Europe over
>>>>> time for coffee as we see many espresso grinders but much fewer coffee
>>>>> examples. The Mahlkoenig and Ditting are what come to mind. I've tried
>>>>> to find out if Mazzer did a coffee grinder or had a different burr set
>>>>> but it seems they don't. In the US we see lots of commercial coffee
>>>>> grinders but why so few from other countries? What is traditionally
>>>>> used in the rest of world for grinding coffee in commercial settings?
>>>>> Some hand mills definitely have courser burr cuts than others but are
>>>>> great for a dripper but not designed for grinding larger quantities..
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ed Bourgeois aka farmroast
>>>>> Amherst MA.
>>>>> http://coffee-roasting.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ed Bourgeois aka farmroast
>>> Amherst MA.
>>> http://coffee-roasting.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Amherst MA.
>> http://coffee-roasting.blogspot.com/
>>
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>
>
>
> --
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>



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:17:49 -0400
From: Angelica M <flowergirl135 at gmail.com>
To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
Subject: [Homeroast] Removing stale coffee smell from filter basket of
	Bialetti Moka pot?
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I have this moka pot I hardly ever even used and I clean it well after
using, (and I never use really old coffee) but for some reason the filter
basket has a horrible stale coffee smell which then you end up tasting in
the coffee. Yuck!

Here is what I tried so far:
1)Soak in baking soda
2)Boil water, turn heat off and leave the filter submerged in that water
overnight.

Nada! The smell won't leave! Anyone else have any ideas?

Thanks folks.

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 12:19:16 -0500
From: Maxwell Heathcott <mheathcott at hotmail.com>
To: <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Bulk Grinder for Drip
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Just to make things interesting . . . 


Any burr-students out there who have noticed dramatically different shapes in burrs for "espresso grinders"?  Are they all pretty similar in design (generally talking flat-burrs here, but interested if conicals might act differently)?  Just wondering if there are any of the usual suspect grinders (Mazzer, Macap, Compak, N-S, Cimbali), which--by design--would produce grounds more suitable for pour-over (etc) . . . 





--mh

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> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:08:35 -0400
> From: edbourgeois at gmail.com
> To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Bulk Grinder for Drip
> 
> I just checked my Grindmaster burrs (good excuse to clean them) and
> they are the same as the Grindmaster I linked above but the Bunn sets
> I've seen lately are like the Bunn set I linked and are more similar
> to a espresso cut just that that channels are more oval shaped with a
> larger release area.
> 
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Bryan Wray
> <bwray_thatcoffeeguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > That's strange to me... but hey, there it is!  I've never seen those burrs in a Grindmaster before, just the ones that are pictured for the Bunn grinder.
> >
> > ... now I'm curious as to why...
> >
> > -bry
> >
> > _______________________
> >
> > Bryan Wray
> >
> > Nor'West Coffee
> >
> > 360.831.1480
> >
> > Bryan at NorWestCoffee.com
> >
> >
> >
> > It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art- Chris Owens
> >
> > --- On Mon, 6/28/10, Edward Bourgeois <edbourgeois at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Edward Bourgeois <edbourgeois at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Bulk Grinder for Drip
> > To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this list, available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html" <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
> > Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 8:25 AM
> >
> > For those interested here is a picture of the Bunn burr cut.
> > http://www.etundra.com/Burr_Set_Kit-P16741.html
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Edward Bourgeois
> > <edbourgeois at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Ed
> >> Here is a link with picture.
> >> http://www.cw-usa.com/parts-grindmaster-commercial-grinding-burr-set.html
> >>  I'm not sure if Grindmaster calls them crushing burrs but that's been
> >> the term generally used. They definitely have a different design.
> >> Ed B.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Ed Needham <beans at homeroaster.com> wrote:
> >>> "I then found that Grindmasters use crushing burrs where Bunn uses cutting
> >>> burrs."
> >>> Ed, just curious where you got this information.  It's been a while since I
> >>> looked into grinders, but in the past, Bunn grinders were all made by
> >>> Grindmaster here in Louisville and were no different than other Grindmaster
> >>> and rebranded grinders made by Grindmaster.  Things may have changed, but
> >>> this is the first I've ever heard of a 'crushing grinder' except for the big
> >>> industrial roller grinders.
> >>> What would a crushing grinder burr look like? vs. a cutting burr?  I've only
> >>> seen the cutting burrs, flat and conical.  Of course the cheapie Walmart
> >>> burr grinders are not sharp and pretty much crush more than cut, but we're
> >>> not talking about those.
> >>> *********************
> >>> Ed Needham
> >>> "to absurdity and beyond!"
> >>> http://www.homeroaster.com
> >>> *********************
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Bourgeois"
> >>> <edbourgeois at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
> >>> list,available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
> >>> <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
> >>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 10:21 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Bulk Grinder for Drip
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I got hold of a Grindmaster shortly after I build my roaster for the
> >>>> occasional need to grind a bag for a customer. I then found that
> >>>> Grindmasters use crushing burrs where Bunn uses cutting burrs. I've
> >>>> been looking for a steal on a used Bunn with burrs in great condition
> >>>> but no luck yet. I thought I would then try some sifting and
> >>>> comparisons and keep the one I preferred. This topic has come up a few
> >>>> times on H-B and it has been thought that the Bunn cutting burrs are a
> >>>> better choice. I've also asked about what has been used in Europe over
> >>>> time for coffee as we see many espresso grinders but much fewer coffee
> >>>> examples. The Mahlkoenig and Ditting are what come to mind. I've tried
> >>>> to find out if Mazzer did a coffee grinder or had a different burr set
> >>>> but it seems they don't. In the US we see lots of commercial coffee
> >>>> grinders but why so few from other countries? What is traditionally
> >>>> used in the rest of world for grinding coffee in commercial settings?
> >>>> Some hand mills definitely have courser burr cuts than others but are
> >>>> great for a dripper but not designed for grinding larger quantities..
> >>>> --
> >>>> Ed Bourgeois aka farmroast
> >>>> Amherst MA.
> >>>> http://coffee-roasting.blogspot.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Homeroast mailing list
> >>>> Homeroast at host.sweetmariascoffee.com
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ed Bourgeois aka farmroast
> >> Amherst MA.
> >> http://coffee-roasting.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ed Bourgeois aka farmroast
> > Amherst MA.
> > http://coffee-roasting.blogspot.com/
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:02:31 -0700
From: Joseph Robertson <theotherjo at gmail.com>
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Go bunn,
Something I think I can afford....
Joe

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Rich <rich-mail at octoxol.com> wrote:

> Well, you can just about bet the farm that the  "good drip grinder" will
> not be made in Italy.  Try a Bunn.
>
> Maxwell Heathcott wrote:
>
>> Agreed on the optimal flavor bit.  I'll fiddle with the
>> burst-of-heat-blowout method and see what I come up with.
>> Still: vacpot is only one of the four filter methods that I mentioned.
>>  One of my biggest frustrations is consistency with a Chemex. In that
>> situation, I've frequently encountered slow dripping, and have been forced
>> to increase grind size to the point of under-extraction.No me gusta.
>> Therefore, I'm left to wonder . . . what would a good drip grinder be?  Or
>> if that question is deemed inappropriate (vis-a-vis the grinder discussions
>> that this has spawned),what would a good (and preferably sub-$500) secondary
>> grinder be, since I'll be using my SJ solely for espresso?
>>
>>
>>
>> --mh
>>
>> ............................................................
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ............................................................
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 17:56:47 -0700
>>> From: doughoople at gmail.com
>>> To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Bulk Grinder for Drip
>>>
>>> It's been a while, so I'll just stick in my $0.02 on fines and stalling
>>> in
>>> vacpots.
>>>
>>> Going coarse with your grind to prevent stalls is completely unnecessary,
>>> and it might even exacerbate the problem instead of making things better.
>>>
>>> That's counterintuitive, of course, but it's true.
>>>
>>> You can actually reduce stalling with vacpots by going FINER, not
>>> coarser.
>>> Some of the most consistent drawdowns I've experienced have been with
>>> very
>>> fine grinds.
>>>
>>> Still, you shouldn't be fiddling with grind to solve mechanical problems
>>> with stalling. You should be grinding for optimal flavor.
>>>
>>> Fix your mechanical stalling problems by blowing the fines out of the
>>> bottom
>>> of the funnel with a burst of heat just before taking the pot off the
>>> burner.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:05:57 -0700
From: Joseph Robertson <theotherjo at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Bulk Grinder for Drip
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I'm trying to understand why some burrs work for drip and some don't......
Shape? conical? I'm always being asked this and don't really understand.
Joe

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Bryan Wray
<bwray_thatcoffeeguy at yahoo.com>wrote:

> That's strange to me... but hey, there it is!  I've never seen those burrs
> in a Grindmaster before, just the ones that are pictured for the Bunn
> grinder.
>
> ... now I'm curious as to why...
>
> -bry
>
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>
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> delivery service, it can be a culinary art- Chris Owens
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> --- On Mon, 6/28/10, Edward Bourgeois <edbourgeois at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Edward Bourgeois <edbourgeois at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Bulk Grinder for Drip
> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this list,
> available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html" <
> homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 8:25 AM
>
> For those interested here is a picture of the Bunn burr cut.
> http://www.etundra.com/Burr_Set_Kit-P16741.html
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Edward Bourgeois
> <edbourgeois at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ed
> > Here is a link with picture.
> >
> http://www.cw-usa.com/parts-grindmaster-commercial-grinding-burr-set.html
> >  I'm not sure if Grindmaster calls them crushing burrs but that's been
> > the term generally used. They definitely have a different design.
> > Ed B.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Ed Needham <beans at homeroaster.com>
> wrote:
> >> "I then found that Grindmasters use crushing burrs where Bunn uses
> cutting
> >> burrs."
> >> Ed, just curious where you got this information.  It's been a while
> since I
> >> looked into grinders, but in the past, Bunn grinders were all made by
> >> Grindmaster here in Louisville and were no different than other
> Grindmaster
> >> and rebranded grinders made by Grindmaster.  Things may have changed,
> but
> >> this is the first I've ever heard of a 'crushing grinder' except for the
> big
> >> industrial roller grinders.
> >> What would a crushing grinder burr look like? vs. a cutting burr?  I've
> only
> >> seen the cutting burrs, flat and conical.  Of course the cheapie Walmart
> >> burr grinders are not sharp and pretty much crush more than cut, but
> we're
> >> not talking about those.
> >> *********************
> >> Ed Needham
> >> "to absurdity and beyond!"
> >> http://www.homeroaster.com
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> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Bourgeois"
> >> <edbourgeois at gmail.com>
> >> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
> >> list,available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"
> >> <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 10:21 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Bulk Grinder for Drip
> >>
> >>
> >>> I got hold of a Grindmaster shortly after I build my roaster for the
> >>> occasional need to grind a bag for a customer. I then found that
> >>> Grindmasters use crushing burrs where Bunn uses cutting burrs. I've
> >>> been looking for a steal on a used Bunn with burrs in great condition
> >>> but no luck yet. I thought I would then try some sifting and
> >>> comparisons and keep the one I preferred. This topic has come up a few
> >>> times on H-B and it has been thought that the Bunn cutting burrs are a
> >>> better choice. I've also asked about what has been used in Europe over
> >>> time for coffee as we see many espresso grinders but much fewer coffee
> >>> examples. The Mahlkoenig and Ditting are what come to mind. I've tried
> >>> to find out if Mazzer did a coffee grinder or had a different burr set
> >>> but it seems they don't. In the US we see lots of commercial coffee
> >>> grinders but why so few from other countries? What is traditionally
> >>> used in the rest of world for grinding coffee in commercial settings?
> >>> Some hand mills definitely have courser burr cuts than others but are
> >>> great for a dripper but not designed for grinding larger quantities..
> >>> --
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> >>> Amherst MA.
> >>> http://coffee-roasting.blogspot.com/
> >>>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:23:01 -0700
From: Doug Hoople <doughoople at gmail.com>
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Hi Bob,

Finer grind might improve things, but, in my experience, the only thing that
actually fixes outright the problem of drawdown delays and stalls is blowing
the fines back up in the funnel with a short burst of heat just before
taking the vacpot off the burner.

Also, not to be painfully repetitive, but I'm averse to the idea of
adjusting grind settings to fix mechanical problems if there's another way
of fixing them. Ideally, we should be grinding for optimal extraction and
optimal flavor.
Thanks.
Doug
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Bob Glasscock <eglasscock at centurytel.net>wrote:

>
> FWIW Doug,
>
> My vacpot experience points to chaff as being a major culprit in stalls,
> and I've gotten so paranoid about it that I try to blow the chaff out of the
> grind before loading the vacpot. My real nemesis with stalls have been with
> peaberries, which seem to produce lots of chaff (more surface, I suppose).
> What do you folks with way more experience than I have think? And on your
> advice I will try the finer grind and see how that works out.
> Bob G. in Ala.
>
> Quoting Doug Hoople <doughoople at gmail.com>:
>
>>  It's been a while, so I'll just stick in my $0.02 on fines and stalling
>> in
>> vacpots.
>> Going coarse with your grind to prevent stalls is completely unnecessary,
>> and it might even exacerbate the problem instead of making things better.
>> That's counterintuitive, of course, but it's true.
>> You can actually reduce stalling with vacpots by going FINER, not coarser.
>> Some of the most consistent drawdowns I've experienced have been with very
>> fine grinds.
>> Still, you shouldn't be fiddling with grind to solve mechanical problems
>> with stalling. You should be grinding for optimal flavor.
>> Fix your mechanical stalling problems by blowing the fines out of the
>> bottom
>> of the funnel with a burst of heat just before taking the pot off the
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:29:52 -0700
From: Doug Hoople <doughoople at gmail.com>
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"What is traditionally used in the rest of world for grinding coffee in
commercial settings?"

Dittings, for the most part, from what I've seen. And, IIRC, Ditting is now
a part of Mahlkoenig.

Doug

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Edward Bourgeois <edbourgeois at gmail.com>wrote:

> I got hold of a Grindmaster shortly after I build my roaster for the
> occasional need to grind a bag for a customer. I then found that
> Grindmasters use crushing burrs where Bunn uses cutting burrs. I've
> been looking for a steal on a used Bunn with burrs in great condition
> but no luck yet. I thought I would then try some sifting and
> comparisons and keep the one I preferred. This topic has come up a few
> times on H-B and it has been thought that the Bunn cutting burrs are a
> better choice. I've also asked about what has been used in Europe over
> time for coffee as we see many espresso grinders but much fewer coffee
> examples. The Mahlkoenig and Ditting are what come to mind. I've tried
> to find out if Mazzer did a coffee grinder or had a different burr set
> but it seems they don't. In the US we see lots of commercial coffee
> grinders but why so few from other countries? What is traditionally
> used in the rest of world for grinding coffee in commercial settings?
> Some hand mills definitely have courser burr cuts than others but are
> great for a dripper but not designed for grinding larger quantities..
> --
> Ed Bourgeois aka farmroast
> Amherst MA.
> http://coffee-roasting.blogspot.com/
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:40:24 -0700
From: Doug Hoople <doughoople at gmail.com>
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 "I'm trying to understand why some burrs work for drip and some don't......
Shape? conical? I'm always being asked this and don't really understand.
Joe"

Hi Joe,

I think Ed has it here "I've seen lately are like the Bunn set I linked and
are more similar
to a espresso cut just that that channels are more oval shaped with a larger
release area."

The term I was reaching for earlier would be "channels," and "larger release
area" points to a possible explanation

Since drip coffee requires a uniform coarser grind than espresso, the
channels in the burrs would be shaped with wider spacing toward the outside
to allow coarser particles to exit cleanly.

Again, I'm just speculating, but that makes sense to me. I'd appreciate if
someone who has actually had a close look (Bryan, for example) could chime
in and confirm or deny these assumptions.

Doug


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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:43:12 -0700
From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee <sweetmarias at sweetmarias.com>
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Removing stale coffee smell from filter
	basket of Bialetti Moka pot?
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I have made some of the worst coffee ever in brewing equipment rarely 
used. For example i remember making a french press after it had sat 
for 2-3 months without use. I washed it in really hot water before 
brewing but still - terrible coffee.

Anyway, I think you need a coffee cleaner product to do this. I don't 
think a home solution will be too effective. Cleancaf is ideal. We 
actually use Urnex espresso cleaner, the same I soak a portafilter in 
if it has residue, for cleaning brew equipment, filter baskets, and 
vacuum thermos pots. Really hot water and a teaspoon of good espresso 
cleaner, leave 20 minutes with the lid on, shake and use a scrub 
brush if you have one, amazing what comes out.



>I have this moka pot I hardly ever even used and I clean it well after
>using, (and I never use really old coffee) but for some reason the filter
>basket has a horrible stale coffee smell which then you end up tasting in
>the coffee. Yuck!
>
>Here is what I tried so far:
>1)Soak in baking soda
>2)Boil water, turn heat off and leave the filter submerged in that water
>overnight.
>
>Nada! The smell won't leave! Anyone else have any ideas?
>
>Thanks folks.
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:56:41 -0400
From: Brian Kamnetz <bkamnetz at gmail.com>
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This thread is very enlightening to me. Up until now, I have assumed
that "better" grinders perform better for all extraction purposes. In
retrospect I should have known better from comments I have read on
this list; guess it is another example of confirmatory bias.

Brian

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Edward Bourgeois
<edbourgeois at gmail.com> wrote:
> For those interested here is a picture of the Bunn burr cut.
> http://www.etundra.com/Burr_Set_Kit-P16741.html
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Edward Bourgeois
> <edbourgeois at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ed
>> Here is a link with picture.
>> http://www.cw-usa.com/parts-grindmaster-commercial-grinding-burr-set.html
>> ?I'm not sure if Grindmaster calls them crushing burrs but that's been
>> the term generally used. They definitely have a different design.
>> Ed B.



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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:16:59 -0600
From: raymanowen at gmail.com
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"... This allows running the fan at full speed, plugged directly into a wall
receptacle and
lowering the power level (voltage) to the heater by powering the
heatercircuit through the variac."

Another option:

   - Leave the heater Alone- don't alter the most powerful device in the
   roaster. (Part of Ray's 9-1-1 Smoke and Blue Fire reduction program- could
   even save the domicile...)

Raise the blower voltage/ speed with a full-wave bridge rectifier and
electrolytic capacitor, and decrement that low-power supply with a rheostat,
light dimmer or separate Triac/ diac.

Full power to the higher-speed blower would cool the airstream with about
20# less Iron and Copper and $100 less Wampum.  If this seems obfuscated and
confusing, avoid the potential expense and excitement, just get the Behmor -
sooner rather than later.

Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!

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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:23:45 -0500
From: Rich <rich-mail at octoxol.com>
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RayO, that is the best advice you have given yet this week.

Attempting to roast coffee in a device that is a poorly designed popcorn 
popper is IMHO idiotic.  It is possible to hammer in a nail with a 
wrench but not a good idea either.

raymanowen at gmail.com wrote:
> ...  just get the Behmor -
> sooner rather than later.
> 
> Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
> 
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 16:50:26 -0400
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Thanks Doug,
It took a second reading, but now I get it. Sorry if my post as o/t. 
-Bob
Quoting Doug Hoople <doughoople at gmail.com>:
> Hi Bob,
>
> Finer grind might improve things, but, in my experience, the only thing that
> actually fixes outright the problem of drawdown delays and stalls is blowing
> the fines back up in the funnel with a short burst of heat just before
> taking the vacpot off the burner. 
>
> Also, not to be painfully repetitive, but I'm averse to the idea of
> adjusting grind settings to fix mechanical problems if there's another way
> of fixing them. Ideally, we should be grinding for optimal extraction and
> optimal flavor. 
> Thanks. 
> Doug
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Bob Glasscock 
> <eglasscock at centurytel.net>wrote:
>
> >
> > FWIW Doug,
> >
> > My vacpot experience points to chaff as being a major culprit in stalls,
> > and I've gotten so paranoid about it that I try to blow the chaff 
> out of the
> > grind before loading the vacpot. My real nemesis with stalls have been with
> > peaberries, which seem to produce lots of chaff (more surface, I suppose). 
> > What do you folks with way more experience than I have think? And on your
> > advice I will try the finer grind and see how that works out. 
> > Bob G. in Ala. 
> >
> > Quoting Doug Hoople <doughoople at gmail.com>:
> >
> >>  It's been a while, so I'll just stick in my $0.02 on fines and stalling
> >> in
> >> vacpots. 
> >> Going coarse with your grind to prevent stalls is completely unnecessary,
> >> and it might even exacerbate the problem instead of making things better. 
> >> That's counterintuitive, of course, but it's true. 
> >> You can actually reduce stalling with vacpots by going FINER, not coarser. 
> >> Some of the most consistent drawdowns I've experienced have been with very
> >> fine grinds. 
> >> Still, you shouldn't be fiddling with grind to solve mechanical problems
> >> with stalling. You should be grinding for optimal flavor. 
> >> Fix your mechanical stalling problems by blowing the fines out of the
> >> bottom
> >> of the funnel with a burst of heat just before taking the pot off the
> >> burner. _______________________________________________
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:42:30 -0700
From: "miKe mcKoffee" <mcKona at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Sucky decaf
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No, I disagree, that was not RayO's best advise. 

A popcorn popper modified allowing independent variable boosted control of
both heater and fan combined with even a simple bimetal thermometer can run
circles around a Behmor when it comes to controlling and profiling a roast.
People have been doing it for over a decade with excellent, controllable,
repeatable results. Hell even automated control, ever hear of Mike's (just
plain) PID'd Uber popcorn popper? 

Slave to the Bean  miKe mcKoffee
www.NorwestCoffee.com
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
http://www.mckoffee.com/

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first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com 
> [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com] On 
> Behalf Of Rich
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 12:24 PM
> To: A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules 
> for this list,available at 
> http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Sucky decaf
> 
> RayO, that is the best advice you have given yet this week.
> 
> Attempting to roast coffee in a device that is a poorly 
> designed popcorn 
> popper is IMHO idiotic.  It is possible to hammer in a nail with a 
> wrench but not a good idea either.
> 
> raymanowen at gmail.com wrote:
> > ...  just get the Behmor -
> > sooner rather than later.
> > 
> > Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
> > 
> > Got Grinder?




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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 20:50:31 -0400
From: Edward Bourgeois <edbourgeois at gmail.com>
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I'd also agree with miKe. Control is the key.

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:42 PM, miKe mcKoffee <mcKona at comcast.net> wrote:
> No, I disagree, that was not RayO's best advise.
>
> A popcorn popper modified allowing independent variable boosted control of
> both heater and fan combined with even a simple bimetal thermometer can run
> circles around a Behmor when it comes to controlling and profiling a roast.
> People have been doing it for over a decade with excellent, controllable,
> repeatable results. Hell even automated control, ever hear of Mike's (just
> plain) PID'd Uber popcorn popper?
>
> Slave to the Bean ?miKe mcKoffee
> www.NorwestCoffee.com
> URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
> http://www.mckoffee.com/
>
> Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
> first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
> found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
>
> Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archives
> http://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>> [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com] On
>> Behalf Of Rich
>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 12:24 PM
>> To: A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules
>> for this list,available at
>> http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html
>> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Sucky decaf
>>
>> RayO, that is the best advice you have given yet this week.
>>
>> Attempting to roast coffee in a device that is a poorly
>> designed popcorn
>> popper is IMHO idiotic. ?It is possible to hammer in a nail with a
>> wrench but not a good idea either.
>>
>> raymanowen at gmail.com wrote:
>> > ... ?just get the Behmor -
>> > sooner rather than later.
>> >
>> > Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
>> >
>> > Got Grinder?
>
>
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:25:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: michael kaericher <mike_kae at yahoo.com>
To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
Subject: [Homeroast] Roast goes stale fast
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Does it suggest that I am doing something wrong if my roasts go stale in ~10 days?? 
?
I've been roasting almost exclusively for espresso for about a year now.? I?started with SM blends, but now I attemp post roast blending SO beans (usually Brazils, Ethiopia, and something else Sulawesi-Java-Rwanda).? Not really sure why since I am still not able to come up with blends that I like any better than the SM pre-roast blends (which are also far more convenient to roast).
?
I find that most of my roasts are best at?about 4-7 days and are definitely stale by 10.? In contrast, I typically hear that espresso roasts hit their stride at 7 days.? So I figure that there has to be something wrong with how I am doing things.
?
Roast process:
I've been roasting in a Behmor for the last year.? My roasts are almost all?6-8 oz with the Behmor set to P3 at -1lb-A.? Sometime after the roast starts, I add lots of time.?? I let it run up to 1c and then turn on my venting fan and open the Behmor door a crack for 2-3 seconds of every 15 to draw out the run to 2c (this usually gets me about 4 minutes). At the first pop of 2c, I hit cool.? After cooling I store the roasted coffee in a 1 quart yogurt container, where it sits for about 4 days before I start using it.
?
?


      

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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:40:09 -0700
From: Yakster <yakster at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Roast goes stale fast
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Michael,

The roast process looks ok.  Have you tried storing your roasted beans in
canning jars?  I'm just wondering if your loosing all your volatiles out of
the yogurt container.  You could split the next batch to compare the storage
methods.

-Chris

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:25 PM, michael kaericher <mike_kae at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Does it suggest that I am doing something wrong if my roasts go stale in
> ~10 days?
>
> I've been roasting almost exclusively for espresso for about a year now.
> I started with SM blends, but now I attemp post roast blending SO beans
> (usually Brazils, Ethiopia, and something else Sulawesi-Java-Rwanda).  Not
> really sure why since I am still not able to come up with blends that I like
> any better than the SM pre-roast blends (which are also far more convenient
> to roast).
>
> I find that most of my roasts are best at about 4-7 days and are definitely
> stale by 10.  In contrast, I typically hear that espresso roasts hit their
> stride at 7 days.  So I figure that there has to be something wrong with how
> I am doing things.
>
> Roast process:
> I've been roasting in a Behmor for the last year.  My roasts are almost
> all 6-8 oz with the Behmor set to P3 at -1lb-A.  Sometime after the roast
> starts, I add lots of time.   I let it run up to 1c and then turn on my
> venting fan and open the Behmor door a crack for 2-3 seconds of every 15 to
> draw out the run to 2c (this usually gets me about 4 minutes). At the first
> pop of 2c, I hit cool.  After cooling I store the roasted coffee in a 1
> quart yogurt container, where it sits for about 4 days before I start using
> it.
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:54:19 -0400
From: John A C Despres <johndespres at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] hmmm, another coffee scam???
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Hmmmm. Sounds a bit like Postum. Didn't we go down this road with Charles
Post at the end of the 19th century?

Or is it Amway?

John


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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 03:38:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: michael kaericher <mike_kae at yahoo.com>
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Sounds like a reasonable test.? I'll give it a shot with the roast I do this weekend.
?
Thanks Chris!
?
-Mike K

--- On Mon, 6/28/10, Yakster <yakster at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Yakster <yakster at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Roast goes stale fast
To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this list, available at http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html" <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 9:40 PM


Michael,

The roast process looks ok.? Have you tried storing your roasted beans in
canning jars?? I'm just wondering if your loosing all your volatiles out of
the yogurt container.? You could split the next batch to compare the storage
methods.

-Chris

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:25 PM, michael kaericher <mike_kae at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Does it suggest that I am doing something wrong if my roasts go stale in
> ~10 days?
>
> I've been roasting almost exclusively for espresso for about a year now.
> I started with SM blends, but now I attemp post roast blending SO beans
> (usually Brazils, Ethiopia, and something else Sulawesi-Java-Rwanda).? Not
> really sure why since I am still not able to come up with blends that I like
> any better than the SM pre-roast blends (which are also far more convenient
> to roast).
>
> I find that most of my roasts are best at about 4-7 days and are definitely
> stale by 10.? In contrast, I typically hear that espresso roasts hit their
> stride at 7 days.? So I figure that there has to be something wrong with how
> I am doing things.
>
> Roast process:
> I've been roasting in a Behmor for the last year.? My roasts are almost
> all 6-8 oz with the Behmor set to P3 at -1lb-A.? Sometime after the roast
> starts, I add lots of time.???I let it run up to 1c and then turn on my
> venting fan and open the Behmor door a crack for 2-3 seconds of every 15 to
> draw out the run to 2c (this usually gets me about 4 minutes). At the first
> pop of 2c, I hit cool.? After cooling I store the roasted coffee in a 1
> quart yogurt container, where it sits for about 4 days before I start using
> it.
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:49:54 -0400
From: Lynne <lynnebiz at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Roast goes stale fast
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I agree with Chris. In addition to the idea that the volatiles might be
escaping, I would be
concerned with just the idea that it's plastic - I remember my ex-boyfriend
lamenting how
his favorite imported olive oil started using plastic for their bottles, and
that was the beginning
of the end for them. Olive oil can get ruined in plastic - might be the same
for coffee.

Be sure to let us know how it turns out when you try the glass jars. That's
all I use, but I
don't do espresso (and I haven't even been homeroasting lately, partly
because of the heat,
partly due to my usual tight finances).

I remember someone did a little experiment way back when I first joined
SM's. Forgot who
it was - but he put some of his homeroast in mason jars, and some in an open
bowl. I remember
that he said the open bowl fared better, but I never was able to be brave
enough to try that!

Lynne



On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:38 AM, michael kaericher <mike_kae at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Sounds like a reasonable test.  I'll give it a shot with the roast I do
> this weekend.
>
> Thanks Chris!
>
> -Mike K
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> The roast process looks ok.  Have you tried storing your roasted beans in
>> canning jars?  I'm just wondering if your loosing all your volatiles out
>> of
>> the yogurt container.  You could split the next batch to compare the
>> storage
>> methods.
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:25 PM, michael kaericher <mike_kae at yahoo.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> Does it suggest that I am doing something wrong if my roasts go stale in
>>> ~10 days?
>>>
>>
>


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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:40:51 +0000
From: "Ryan M. Ward" <silvercro_magnon at hotmail.com>
To: <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com>
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Roast goes stale fast
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I am curious, has anyone tried those beanvac canisters? (The ones that actually vacuum out the air when you put the beans in)

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> From: lynnebiz at gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:49:54 -0400
> To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Roast goes stale fast
> 
> I agree with Chris. In addition to the idea that the volatiles might be
> escaping, I would be
> concerned with just the idea that it's plastic - I remember my ex-boyfriend
> lamenting how
> his favorite imported olive oil started using plastic for their bottles, and
> that was the beginning
> of the end for them. Olive oil can get ruined in plastic - might be the same
> for coffee.
> 
> Be sure to let us know how it turns out when you try the glass jars. That's
> all I use, but I
> don't do espresso (and I haven't even been homeroasting lately, partly
> because of the heat,
> partly due to my usual tight finances).
> 
> I remember someone did a little experiment way back when I first joined
> SM's. Forgot who
> it was - but he put some of his homeroast in mason jars, and some in an open
> bowl. I remember
> that he said the open bowl fared better, but I never was able to be brave
> enough to try that!
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:38 AM, michael kaericher <mike_kae at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> > Sounds like a reasonable test.  I'll give it a shot with the roast I do
> > this weekend.
> >
> > Thanks Chris!
> >
> > -Mike K
> >
> >> Michael,
> >>
> >> The roast process looks ok.  Have you tried storing your roasted beans in
> >> canning jars?  I'm just wondering if your loosing all your volatiles out
> >> of
> >> the yogurt container.  You could split the next batch to compare the
> >> storage
> >> methods.
> >>
> >> -Chris
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:25 PM, michael kaericher <mike_kae at yahoo.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> Does it suggest that I am doing something wrong if my roasts go stale in
> >>> ~10 days?
> >>>
> >>
> >
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 12:01:31 -0400
From: "Peter Louton" <peter at midwestbicycleworks.com>
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Hi all,

I have tried the canning jar, but I use tupperware for storing mine and I my espresso blends usually hit peak at 5 days and might last a week to 10 days past that.  Although, I must admit I rarely have enough beans to last more than 3 or 4 days, it is only when I travel, that might have some beans that 2+ weeks old.  I'll definitely have to check out the canning jars the next time I travel.

Peter

www.fwcoffeeaddict.com

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On Jun 29, 2010 11:46, Ryan M. Ward <silvercro_magnon at hotmail.com> wrote: 



I am curious, has anyone tried those beanvac canisters? (The ones that actually vacuum out the air when you put the beans in)



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> From: lynnebiz at gmail.com

> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:49:54 -0400

> To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com

> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Roast goes stale fast

> 

> I agree with Chris. In addition to the idea that the volatiles might be

> escaping, I would be

> concerned with just the idea that it's plastic - I remember my ex-boyfriend

> lamenting how

> his favorite imported olive oil started using plastic for their bottles, and

> that was the beginning

> of the end for them. Olive oil can get ruined in plastic - might be the same

> for coffee.

> 

> Be sure to let us know how it turns out when you try the glass jars. That's

> all I use, but I

> don't do espresso (and I haven't even been homeroasting lately, partly

> because of the heat,

> partly due to my usual tight finances).

> 

> I remember someone did a little experiment way back when I first joined

> SM's. Forgot who

> it was - but he put some of his homeroast in mason jars, and some in an open

> bowl. I remember

> that he said the open bowl fared better, but I never was able to be brave

> enough to try that!

> 

> Lynne

> 

> 

> 

> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:38 AM, michael kaericher <mike_kae at yahoo.com>wrote:

> 

> > Sounds like a reasonable test.  I'll give it a shot with the roast I do

> > this weekend.

> >

> > Thanks Chris!

> >

> > -Mike K

> >

> >> Michael,

> >>

> >> The roast process looks ok.  Have you tried storing your roasted beans in

> >> canning jars?  I'm just wondering if your loosing all your volatiles out

> >> of

> >> the yogurt container.  You could split the next batch to compare the

> >> storage

> >> methods.

> >>

> >> -Chris

> >>

> >> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:25 PM, michael kaericher <mike_kae at yahoo.com

> >> >wrote:

> >>

> >> Does it suggest that I am doing something wrong if my roasts go stale in

> >>> ~10 days?

> >>>

> >>

> >

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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:05:02 -0700
From: Yakster <yakster at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Roast goes stale fast
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I remember reading on one of the forums that this can do more harm then
good... the theory was that the vacuum was actively removing the aroma from
the beans, but no, I haven't tried these.  I did see one of these at a
thrift store, but passed it up because of what I'd read about them.  The
Wife managed to find three 9 oz Bodum Pavina double-walled glasses at the
thrift store last week for $0.49 each, which was a heck of a deal for a
favorite coffee cup of ours.

I'm a firm believer in canning jars.  I treated myself yesterday to a bag of
Barefoot Coffee Roaster's Yellow Catuai and poured it into the glass jar.
I'll just put the jar inside the bag to identify the contents.

Having said all this, taste is, of course, very subjective and some people
enjoy coffee straight from the roaster while others insist on waiting at
least four days.  I've started drinking right from the roaster lately,
partly due to poor planning but also enjoying the beans as they age.  With
same-day or next-day roasts, I'll try and grind the beans about 15 or more
minutes ahead to let them outgass, especially if I'm pulling espresso from
the beans.  The Bloom pour (pouring about 50 ml of water over the grounds
and allowing them to bloom for 30 seconds before the main pour) for coffee
also takes care of the overly fresh beans and prevents an accident.  The
beans never seems to last more then 14 days.

I'd been bringing in beans for use at work in ziplock bags, but mainly
because I'd use them up in a day or two.  Today I loaded up two one cup
canning jars, one with the Barefoot Yellow Catuai (enjoyable, maybe cactus
like flavors?) and the other with a Tanzanian Peaberry I roasted late last
night while the temps in the garage were still in the 80s.

-Chris



On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Ryan M. Ward
<silvercro_magnon at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> I am curious, has anyone tried those beanvac canisters? (The ones that
> actually vacuum out the air when you put the beans in)
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