[Homeroast] Fwd: Espresso advice

Ryan M. Ward silvercro_magnon at hotmail.com
Wed Jan 13 11:56:52 CST 2010


I am in the same situation right now with trying to purchase a roaster in a few months. (Baby's due date was yesterday)

Ryan M. Ward



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> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:30:40 +0000
> From: mpj100 at comcast.net
> To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> Subject: [Homeroast] Fwd:  Espresso advice
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> Just realized that my response never got posted. Everyone, please see my original email below. 
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> Thanks again everyone for your helpful advice! 
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> 
> Mark 
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> ----- Forwarded Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Jones" <mpj100 at comcast.net> 
> To: "Sweet Maria" <homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com> 
> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2010 1:53:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso advice 
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> Thank you everyone for your responses; they were all very helpful in making me see what needs to be done. I think that I'm going to work on what I have and save up for the Rancilio Silvia. In the meantime, I'll be watching Craigslist for any used grinders that fall into my budget. With my first child on the way, I need to keep that in mind unless I want to hear about it on a daily basis about how I didn't need the espresso machine. I'm currently defending my purchase of the Behmor. 
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> Thanks again, 
> 
> Mark 
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> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ryan M. Ward" <silvercro_magnon at hotmail.com> 
> To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com 
> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2010 1:12:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso advice 
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> 
> Ok, let me further reiterate my point. If Mark had posted that he had a Cuisinart grinder (feel free to read my review on the Cuisinart grinder), I would agree completely with everyone here that upgrading an espresso machine would not be followed with a better shot. I agree that uniformity in particle size is one of the most important factors in shot quality. My point is that the infinity is already a descent grinder. It is NOT a crummy grinder. Do I think it is the Roles Royce of grinders? Heck no! But I would consider it the Toyota Camary. (Its certainly not a Ford!). 
> Looking at the specs of the machine he currently has, I feel that upgrading the machine NOW would yield a greater advance in product NOW given his particular budgetary parameters, while shopping around for a grinder later will yield an even better product later. 
> If he posted that all he had was a blade grinder, I would be saying "do not upgrade the machine until you get a grinder." 
> I will say, that a previous poster did have sound advice in recommending that you hold off until you can afford a slightly better machine. The price of the Silvia has gone up, this is true, many higher end models have remained fixed in price(relatively). I still stand by the advice, however, that the Silvia is a good investment . 
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> To summarize, good product in to crummy machine, crummy product out, is still crummy product. 
> 
> "In an effort to prove to myself how bad espresso shots really are, I took a 
> leap from a comical-burred Solis Maestro Plus to a big Mazzer grinder. 
> Neither one had a doser and for the life of me, why in the Blue Blazes would 
> I want to do that to the coffee, anyway? -ro" 
> 
> What is your point here, I have missed it? 
> 
> Ryan M. Ward 
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> > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 03:30:22 -0700 
> > From: raymanowen at gmail.com 
> > To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com 
> > Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso advice 
> > 
> > "...fond memories of _ an actual coffee shop." 
> > 
> > Me, too. The Staling Chamber for grounds and the one for beans, known 
> > respectively as Doser and Hopper, are the antitheses of Fresh. The actual 
> > coffee shops were the location of execrable espresso, the vile dreck being 
> > swamped in sugars, syrups, spices, et cetera, instead of unadulterated 
> > drinks. 
> > 
> > How could coffee people refer to their hobby espresso in glowing terms, 
> > while professionals manage to use some Rube Goldberg machinery to turn 
> > coffee beans into some of the most vile beverage on the planet? 
> > 
> > In an effort to prove to myself how bad espresso shots really are, I took a 
> > leap from a comical-burred Solis Maestro Plus to a big Mazzer grinder. 
> > Neither one had a doser and for the life of me, why in the Blue Blazes would 
> > I want to do that to the coffee, anyway? -ro 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Ryan M. Ward 
> > <silvercro_magnon at hotmail.com>wrote: 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi Mark, 
> > > I have a Rancilio Silvia and a Capresso Infinity myself. I am not familiar 
> > > with the machine you currently have (it looks to be constructed on par with 
> > > my old Cuisinart machine, just by looking on Amazon). 
> > > 
> > > Feel free to read a review I wrote for the Silvia here (This link points to 
> > > all of my reviews on Amazon, the Silvia review should be the first one): 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2N471I8E0FQ7M/ref=cm_cr_pr_auth_rev?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview 
> > > 
> > > I can tell you that the Silvia is a great machine, particularly if you 
> > > prefer manual machines. The pressure build up is excellent and sufficient to 
> > > pull a good shot and to froth milk in a more timely manner (compared to 
> > > lower end models). The espresso quality is good but as with most machines, 
> > > getting the right grind can be a challenge (on the inifinity, I set the 
> > > hopper dial to between fine and extra fine I think, leaning more toward 
> > > fine). The silvia is a single boiler machine, but it sounds like that is 
> > > what you already have and are content with. 
> > > As I have alluded to, the Silvia is constructed with simplicity in mind, 
> > > the steam wand does not have any attachments designed to make frothing 
> > > easier (I consider this a strength, I have yet to use a weird froth wand 
> > > attachment thing and have any real success). 
> > > So in summary, if you don't mind a single boiler machine and don't mind a 
> > > manual machine, I think you will be very happy with the Silvia and STRONGLY 
> > > recommend it. 
> > > 
> > > Now for the Capresso Infinity vs. Rancilio Rocky. I do not own a Rocky and 
> > > thus cannot give you an honest recommendation on this issue. I will say that 
> > > I am very happy with my infinity and do not consider upgrading a top 
> > > priority. One thing though that really is lacking in the inifinty which is 
> > > an optional upgrade in the rocky is a doser. Again, not a huge priority for 
> > > me but it would be nice and would bring back fond memories of working in an 
> > > actual coffee shop. 
> > > 
> > > The major thing that drew me to the infinity (besides the cost savings), is 
> > > the fact that the infinity is a conical burr grinder, the infinity has a 
> > > lower RPM rating which means less heat distributed across the grounds(I am 
> > > not certain exactly how much of a difference this make but this was my 
> > > thinking at the time), the rocky is a disc burr grinder. 
> > > The thing that ultimately made up my mind regarding not buying the rocky 
> > > was the fact that I read several reviews which complained about the 
> > > consistancy of the grind with a Rocky. I cannot comment on this from 
> > > personal experience, but 
> > > 
> > > I do intend to "upgrade" to a better grinder some day, the rocky is not the 
> > > number one on my list but I certainly have not dismissed it from my 
> > > considerations. Personally, if I was in your position, I would (after some 
> > > shopping around and research) buy the Silvia for sure, you can't beat a 
> > > quality machine. You already have a decent grinder, I am sure there are 
> > > better ones but personally, I do not think getting a new one is absolutely 
> > > critical, use the Silvia to justify a new grinder later(if you need to). Of 
> > > course if you can afford it, why not get one. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ryan M. Ward 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:05:14 +0000 
> > > > From: mpj100 at comcast.net 
> > > > To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com 
> > > > Subject: [Homeroast] Espresso advice 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Good afternoon everyone: 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I'm wondering if someone could provide some advice. I've been throwing 
> > > around the thought of advancing my espresso setup. I currently have a 
> > > Breville Cafe Modena and the Jura Capresso Inifinity (Stainless.) The 
> > > espresso machine, my wife got it free from being at the Martha Stewart show. 
> > > I bought the Capresso thinking it was a nice grinder for making some decent 
> > > espressos and americanos. I make espresso from time to time, but mainly use 
> > > my Europress for the americanos. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > As time goes on, my coffee addiction has me wanting a Silvia and the 
> > > Rocky. Can I afford them? Well, I'm sure I'd find a way, but then again, my 
> > > wife would find a way to make me regret it. Could someone please respond and 
> > > tell me that what I have is alright and to wait on the new equipment? 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I dont want to jump into a large expense when I'm ok with what I have for 
> > > as much as I use it. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks again everyone! 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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