[Homeroast] was Espresso advice *HiJacked* now presurized portafilters

michael brown disracer at msn.com
Fri Jan 8 23:37:23 CST 2010


thanks, another lesson learned.  two in one day!  my brain hurts!

> From: mcKona at comcast.net
> To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:27:48 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] was Espresso advice *HiJacked* now presurized	portafilters
> 
> FYI, if by "knock" you mean knocking the PF (portafilter) from the side with
> tamper (versus downward tap of PF) knock it off. It's a bad habit that gains
> nothing and will often as not cause you channeling problems with a "real"
> PF. IE the side knocking disrupts the distribution.
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com 
> > [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com] On 
> > Behalf Of michael brown
> > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:10 PM
> > To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> > Subject: Re: [Homeroast] was Espresso advice *HiJacked* now 
> > presurized portafilters
> > 
> > 
> > Okay, after Sandra's comments about pressurized portafilters 
> > on Estro/Saeco machines i had to do some research and this is 
> > what i found: http://www.partsguru.com/SaecoRioProfi.html  I 
> > had no idea that i had been using a "pressurized portafilter" 
> > this whole time.  I emailed the contact of this website 
> > (before i knew of this page) and redirected me to the page i 
> > just linked.  It suggested not tamping at all!  I thought, 
> > ridiculous!  So i tried it, and had surprising results.  I 
> > need to play with it some more but it's 11pm and i don't need 
> > to pull anymore shots.  I have to be at work at 8am.  
> > 
> > Anyone else have any experience with pressurized 
> > portafilters?  He didn't have an owners manual for my exact 
> > machine.  I have an estro model 410, SIN 007.  But the link 
> > to the "226552008 Portafilter diagram Starbucks model 
> >                   Via Venezia" diagram matches my portafilter 
> > exactly.  Now i'm all shook up, thinking i've been pulling 
> > shots WAY WRONG (at least as how this machine was intended) 
> > the whole time i've had this machine [over a year].  And by 
> > the way, i'd been able to pull what i've thought were decent 
> > shots my way (dosing, knocking, tamp, knock, tamp, sometimes 
> > a third knock and tamp).
> > 
> > Michael B
> > 
> > > From: sandraandina at mac.com
> > > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:09:54 -0600
> > > To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso advice
> > > 
> > > I used an Estro Profi for several years---it had a built-in 
> > burr grinder which ground directly into the PF.  When the 
> > burrs dulled I was able to get an insanely good deal on a 
> > LaPavoni PGB from Zabar's. It had stepless adjustment and the 
> > option to remove the grounds bin and grind directly into the 
> > PF. Its only faults were lots of static and a plastic 
> > housing.  I used it with my Silvia in 2005 till I got an 
> > equally insane deal on a very gently used Rocky.   
> > > 
> > > The Estro should pull good shots and steam decently (albeit 
> > in small volumes) when equipped with a non-pressurized basket 
> > and paired with a good heavy tamper (52mm, I think, might 
> > even be 49) and a good burr grinder. A homeroaster friend of 
> > mine has a Saeco (the real maker of Estro) Vapore (which I 
> > also had and gave to my sister once I got the Profi) which he 
> > uses with a Gaggia MDF grinder;  he pulls great shots and 
> > makes "latte macchiato:" steams the milk in the mug and then 
> > pulls the shot directly into it.  A method I used to use, and 
> > while it isn't pretty, it can be yummy.  Only true 
> > shortcoming of the Estro/Saeco semiauto family is that 
> > nowadays I think you have to order the nonpressurized 
> > baskets/PFs separately; and that the PFs are 52mm one-piece 
> > cast brass (the cheapest models are aluminum, as are those on 
> > Krups machines) with integrated spouts, rather than the 
> > industry-std. 58mm with interchangeable spouts.   There isn't 
> > sufficient mass to get really, really hot and hold the heat 
> > for optimal body and crema.  But it's WORLDS better than the 
> > flimsy Krups (trust me, I've owned two Krups pumpers) and the 
> > odd little R2D2-esque Capresso Ultima I let myself be talked 
> > into buying.
> > > 
> > > On Jan 8, 2010, at 8:01 AM, michael brown wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I've got the itch for an upgrade myself.  I was given an 
> > estro machine with the understanding, "if i could clean it 
> > and get it to work, it was mine."  produces decent espresso.  
> > I also recently got a Krups XP2070 espresso and coffee maker, 
> > free, under the same circumstances from a girl i work with.  
> > It's terrible.  I'm thinking of Ebaying the Krups and using 
> > that money to go towards a Gaggia?
> > > > 
> > > > As far as grinders, i'll say this; i went from a 
> > cuisinart grinder (pretty cheap from target) to a virtuoso in 
> > my early playings with the Estro, under the recommendations 
> > from the list.  The virtuoso is not an espresso specific 
> > grinder, but it does have little conveniences that make it 
> > very espresso friendly, like the pulse button so you can hold 
> > your portafilter directly under the chute.  Long story short, 
> > i was BLOWN AWAY at the difference the grinder made.  So my 
> > next move is to upgrade the espresso machine again, then 
> > upgrade the grinder.  Maybe a Super Jolly.  I've seen some 
> > great prices on Ebay for such things.  Or i might play it 
> > safe, wait for tax refunds to buy something new from SM.  So 
> > don't underestimate what upgrading the grinder will do.
> > > > 
> > > > Michael B
> > > > 
> > > >> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 05:05:39 -0600
> > > >> From: hankperkins at gmail.com
> > > >> To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso advice
> > > >> 
> > > >> For what it is worth.  I am not a big espresso drinker.  
> > I make drip
> > > >> coffee.  I use a Rocky.  I upgraded my grinder first it 
> > made a huge
> > > >> improvement.  Recently I ordered a Technivorm 
> > Moccamaster.  It made as
> > > >> big of a difference in my coffee as the Rocky.  One thing, always
> > > >> preheat your coffee maker no matter if it is espresso or drip.
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Mark Jones 
> > <mpj100 at comcast.net> wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Good afternoon everyone:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I'm wondering if someone could provide some advice. 
> > I've been throwing around the thought of advancing my 
> > espresso setup. I currently have a Breville Cafe Modena and 
> > the Jura Capresso Inifinity (Stainless.) The espresso 
> > machine, my wife got it free from being at the Martha Stewart 
> > show. I bought the Capresso thinking it was a nice grinder 
> > for making some decent espressos and americanos. I make 
> > espresso from time to time, but mainly use my Europress for 
> > the americanos.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> As time goes on, my coffee addiction has me wanting a 
> > Silvia and the Rocky. Can I afford them? Well, I'm sure I'd 
> > find a way, but then again, my wife would find a way to make 
> > me regret it. Could someone please respond and tell me that 
> > what I have is alright and to wait on the new equipment?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I dont want to jump into a large expense when I'm ok 
> > with what I have for as much as I use it.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Thanks again everyone!
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
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