[Homeroast] Espresso advice

Joseph Robertson theotherjo at gmail.com
Fri Jan 8 12:24:02 CST 2010


 Ryan,
Until RayO comes back to us on this one I will "ass"sume that he is talking
about a doser being a bad thing for coffee...????.....Like coffee sitting in
it and going stale? Don't feel bad, interrupting RayO's posts takes time
like learning to roast coffee. <];^)))
JoeR

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Ryan M. Ward
<silvercro_magnon at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> Ok, let me further reiterate my point. If Mark had posted that he had a
> Cuisinart grinder (feel free to read my review on the Cuisinart grinder), I
> would agree completely with everyone here that upgrading an espresso machine
> would not be followed with a better shot. I agree that uniformity in
> particle size is one of the most important factors in shot quality. My point
> is that the infinity is already a descent grinder. It is NOT a crummy
> grinder. Do I think it is the Roles Royce of grinders? Heck no! But I would
> consider it the Toyota Camary. (Its certainly not a Ford!).
> Looking at the specs of the machine he currently has, I feel that upgrading
> the machine NOW would yield a greater advance in product NOW given his
> particular budgetary parameters, while shopping around for a grinder later
> will yield an even better product later.
> If he posted that all he had was a blade grinder, I would be saying "do not
> upgrade the machine until you get a grinder."
> I will say, that a previous poster did have sound advice in recommending
> that you hold off until you can afford a slightly better machine. The price
> of the Silvia has gone up, this is true, many higher end models have
> remained fixed in price(relatively). I still stand by the advice, however,
> that the Silvia is a good investment .
>
> To summarize, good product in to crummy machine, crummy product out, is
> still crummy product.
>
> "In an effort to prove to myself how bad espresso shots really are, I took
> a
> leap from a comical-burred Solis Maestro Plus to a big Mazzer grinder.
> Neither one had a doser and for the life of me, why in the Blue Blazes
> would
> I want to do that to the coffee, anyway? -ro"
>
> What is your point here, I have missed it?
>
> Ryan M. Ward
>
>
>
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>
>
> > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 03:30:22 -0700
> > From: raymanowen at gmail.com
> > To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> > Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Espresso advice
>  >
> > "...fond memories of _ an actual coffee shop."
> >
> > Me, too. The Staling Chamber for grounds and the one for beans, known
> > respectively as Doser and Hopper, are the antitheses of Fresh. The actual
> > coffee shops were the location of execrable espresso, the vile dreck
> being
> > swamped in sugars, syrups, spices, et cetera, instead of unadulterated
> > drinks.
> >
> > How could coffee people refer to their hobby espresso in glowing terms,
> > while professionals manage to use some Rube Goldberg machinery to turn
> > coffee beans into some of the most vile beverage on the planet?
> >
> > In an effort to prove to myself how bad espresso shots really are, I took
> a
> > leap from a comical-burred Solis Maestro Plus to a big Mazzer grinder.
> > Neither one had a doser and for the life of me, why in the Blue Blazes
> would
> > I want to do that to the coffee, anyway? -ro
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Ryan M. Ward
> > <silvercro_magnon at hotmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Mark,
> > > I have a Rancilio Silvia and a Capresso Infinity myself. I am not
> familiar
> > > with the machine you currently have (it looks to be constructed on par
> with
> > > my old Cuisinart machine, just by looking on Amazon).
> > >
> > > Feel free to read a review I wrote for the Silvia here (This link
> points to
> > > all of my reviews on Amazon, the Silvia review should be the first
> one):
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2N471I8E0FQ7M/ref=cm_cr_pr_auth_rev?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview
> > >
> > > I can tell you that the Silvia is a great machine, particularly if you
> > > prefer manual machines. The pressure build up is excellent and
> sufficient to
> > > pull a good shot and to froth milk in a more timely manner (compared to
> > > lower end models). The espresso quality is good but as with most
> machines,
> > > getting the right grind can be a challenge (on the inifinity, I set the
> > > hopper dial to between fine and extra fine I think, leaning more toward
> > > fine). The silvia is a single boiler machine, but it sounds like that
> is
> > > what you already have and are content with.
> > > As I have alluded to, the Silvia is constructed with simplicity in
> mind,
> > > the steam wand does not have any attachments designed to make frothing
> > > easier (I consider this a strength, I have yet to use a weird froth
> wand
> > > attachment thing and have any real success).
> > > So in summary, if you don't mind a single boiler machine and don't mind
> a
> > > manual machine, I think you will be very happy with the Silvia and
> STRONGLY
> > > recommend it.
> > >
> > > Now for the Capresso Infinity vs. Rancilio Rocky. I do not own a Rocky
> and
> > > thus cannot give you an honest recommendation on this issue. I will say
> that
> > > I am very happy with my infinity and do not consider upgrading a top
> > > priority. One thing though that really is lacking in the inifinty which
> is
> > > an optional upgrade in the rocky is a doser. Again, not a huge priority
> for
> > > me but it would be nice and would bring back fond memories of working
> in an
> > > actual coffee shop.
> > >
> > > The major thing that drew me to the infinity (besides the cost
> savings), is
> > > the fact that the infinity is a conical burr grinder, the infinity has
> a
> > > lower RPM rating which means less heat distributed across the grounds(I
> am
> > > not certain exactly how much of a difference this make but this was my
> > > thinking at the time), the rocky is a disc burr grinder.
> > > The thing that ultimately made up my mind regarding not buying the
> rocky
> > > was the fact that I read several reviews which complained about the
> > > consistancy of the grind with a Rocky. I cannot comment on this from
> > > personal experience, but
> > >
> > > I do intend to "upgrade" to a better grinder some day, the rocky is not
> the
> > > number one on my list but I certainly have not dismissed it from my
> > > considerations. Personally, if I was in your position, I would (after
> some
> > > shopping around and research) buy the Silvia for sure, you can't beat a
> > > quality machine. You already have a decent grinder, I am sure there are
> > > better ones but personally, I do not think getting a new one is
> absolutely
> > > critical, use the Silvia to justify a new grinder later(if you need
> to). Of
> > > course if you can afford it, why not get one.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ryan M. Ward
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > Heron)
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:05:14 +0000
> > > > From: mpj100 at comcast.net
> > > > To: homeroast at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
> > > > Subject: [Homeroast] Espresso advice
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Good afternoon everyone:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm wondering if someone could provide some advice. I've been
> throwing
> > > around the thought of advancing my espresso setup. I currently have a
> > > Breville Cafe Modena and the Jura Capresso Inifinity (Stainless.) The
> > > espresso machine, my wife got it free from being at the Martha Stewart
> show.
> > > I bought the Capresso thinking it was a nice grinder for making some
> decent
> > > espressos and americanos. I make espresso from time to time, but mainly
> use
> > > my Europress for the americanos.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As time goes on, my coffee addiction has me wanting a Silvia and the
> > > Rocky. Can I afford them? Well, I'm sure I'd find a way, but then
> again, my
> > > wife would find a way to make me regret it. Could someone please
> respond and
> > > tell me that what I have is alright and to wait on the new equipment?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I dont want to jump into a large expense when I'm ok with what I have
> for
> > > as much as I use it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again everyone!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > NectaroftheGods
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