[Homeroast] irritation when measuring beans for espresso

Doug Hoople doughoople at gmail.com
Thu Feb 4 00:35:53 CST 2010

RayO's very entertaining, and occasionally enlightening, but he never let
the facts get in the way of a good dramatic gesture.

He had a bad experience with his Solis, and never misses a chance to remind
anyone. But methinks he presses his case a little far in imputing tawdry
marketing dodges into Barata's methods.

I'm the satisfied owner of a Baratza Vario, and I've read most of the
reviews out there carefully over time, as most of us obsessed types do. I
can't spot the plagiarism that RayO has repeatedly cited here, and the
reviews that I've read seem reasonably even-handed and carefully thought
out. I have even seen reference to grind size variations and
grind consistency in some of these reviews, so I also don't know what lapse
in that category Der Opa is on about.

I have one reason why I can't recommend the Vario on this list:

1) Sweet Maria's doesn't sell it.

There's another reason, too, and that's that I don't drink espresso. I don't
know how it performs as an espresso grinder, and this list is
espresso-obsessed, so I'm not qualified to say. Except, of course, to say
that it's really fine for vacpot grinding.

But I certainly see no marketing conspiracy to rig the reviews, as RayO
does. And, contrary to RayO's claims, I've found Baratza to be
customer-oriented to an extreme not often seen these days, and have directly
seen a high level of ethics and integrity in their operation. Whatever
anyone thinks of the products themselves, there's no reason whatsoever to
question Baratza's integrity. That would be poetic injustice indeed, as
there are plenty of companies that deserve such opprobrium, and Baratza
isn't one of them..


On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 1:49 AM, <raymanowen at gmail.com> wrote:

> "...the Baratzza Vario is getting great reviews"
> Ever notice how many of these "reviews" use the same words and wording as
> the marketing department's advertising copy?
> The reviewers never make mention of the narrow latitude in size variation
> of
> the grounds at a particular grind setting, how small and resettable the
> grinding increments are. Never any cupping to describe the effect of the
> slight grind size adjustments on the cup.
> There has been some comedy passed off as serious discussion re: the
> *Desired
> * grind size variation at any particular grind setting. That borders on the
> ridiculous. If your car ran the way that grinder expert suggested, you'd be
> arrested on suspicion of DUI.
> Why have laws and adjustments if "anything goes?"
> If a nice grinder won't fit in the Lilliputian doll house, and a chain saw
> would be too noisy- Starbucks has your coffee waiting...
> Cheers, Mabuhay, und Guten Morgen -RayO, aka Opa!
> Got Grinder?
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