[Homeroast] Turning Bottomless Portafilter

Barry Luterman lutermanb at gmail.com
Sun Aug 29 23:31:53 CDT 2010


I have tried it both ways many times. Although it is true crema by itself is
not good and crema floating on top is only slightly better. The best seems
to be crema stirred into the brew. At least to my taste.

On Aug 29, 2010 7:10 PM, "Joseph Robertson" <theotherjo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter,
> I saw this video when it first came out and had a lot of question and
doubt
> about it. I have mentioned it before here so I won't doddle long here as I
> got some negative comments.
> I for one like my creama not stirred in. Kind of like Martini's or butter
> side up or butter side down.
> In the case of James video/analysis of the taste difference with and
without
> creama I wanted to know what a science professional and master coffee
> roaster and owner of CoffeeLabs International would have to say about this
> video so I forwarded it on to him for a comment. After viewing the video
he
> got back to me and only had a one word comment. "Rubbish" I'm sure he
means
> no direct disrespect for a former WBC. I think he strongly just disagrees
> with James on this point. Besides isn't taste subjective anyway?
> He said that the creama holds some very important components of espresso
and
> named the chemicals by name. Damned if I can remember that part.
> Remove them and guess what. It's not what it was and in my mind surely not
> what the machine was designed to put out. IMNSHO
> Just a few pennies to add before I have to close up the shop.
> JoeR
>
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Peter Louton <
peter at midwestbicycleworks.com
>> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Mike that practice makes better, but I find that the crema
>> does drastically change the taste of the shot and I have been known to
scoop
>> off the crema and drink only what's left.  To really stir the crema,
>> check out James Hoffman's Video about crema at 
>> www.jimseven.com/2009/07/06/video-1-crema 
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Sent from my Palm Pre
>> On Aug 29, 2010 13:42, miKe mcKoffee <mcKona at comcast.net<lt%3BmcKona at comcast.net>
<lt%3BmcKona at comcast.net <lt%253BmcKona at comcast.net>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Been involved in and read discussions of shot perceived difference, if
any,
>>
>> between nekkid and spouted for close to a decade. Many of these
discussions
>>
>> with some of the most acute palates in the world often using the most
>>
>> cutting edge equipment in the world like Roburs or Versalab grinders and
>>
>> GS3s or Speetsters etc. (And everthing on down.) Don't recall temperature
>> of
>>
>> the resulting cup ever being an issue. Usually biggest perceived
difference
>>
>> is in the "unstirred" straight shot with spouted being creamier texture
>>
>> versus nekkid. Stir the shot and difference bye-bye.
>>
>>
>>
>> If someone thinks they can pull a couple or few shots a day and be even
>>
>> close to 90% consistent without ongoing shot feedback IMO quite
delusional.
>>
>> Indeed quite a bit of can be gleened watching spouted flow (with years of
>>
>> experience not just an afternoon of instruction), but not as much or as
>>
>> rapidly as pulling nekkid. It ain't primarily about showy shots, it's
about
>>
>> quality shot production.
>>
>>
>>
>> And a HUGE advantage of pulling nekkid in a busy environment is the PF
>>
>> doesn't need periodic cleaning at all, zero, zip. No old coffee clinging
to
>>
>> spout and crevices degrading shots. Baskets easily kept clean rinsing
just
>>
>> rinsing both sides same time post shot flushing group after each shot and
>>
>> wiping dry. During the day periodic water backflushes and basket steam
>>
>> cleaning all that's needed to keep it clean and shot quality high.
>>
>>
>>
>> The biggest complaint I hear from some people using nekkid PF's is mess
>> from
>>
>> frequent spraying. If that's a constant problem PF build technique is
>> faulty
>>
>> plan and simple. Pulling with spout will merely mask it not correct it.
>>
>>
>>
>> miKe
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>>
>> > From: homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com
>>
>> > [mailto:homeroast-bounces at lists.sweetmariascoffee.com] On
>>
>> > Behalf Of Joseph Robertson
>>
>> > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 7:56 AM
>>
>> >
>>
>> > miKe,
>>
>> > This question is to you. I know you like pf's as much as I do
>>
>> > but I have
>>
>> > never heard you chime in when we get into pf pro and con's of these
>>
>> > discussions regarding the temp differential between bottom on
>>
>> > and bottom off
>>
>> > as Dennis just brought up.
>>
>> > Can we talk you out of another 2 cents on this. I know you
>>
>> > have probably
>>
>> > covered it before but for the sake of us old dogs with old
>>
>> > memory cells?
>>
>> > JoeR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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