[Homeroast] Technivorm KBTS vs Zojirushi

Ross rdhenne at q.com
Mon Aug 9 12:27:16 CDT 2010


One more opinion: I don't comment here often, but I get tired of the 
Techivorm hype, I have used it.   I have been roasting coffee now for 5 
years.  I am an amateur barista and a coffee lover.  I have tried just about 
all the various brewing techniques and electric gadgets.  My favorite 
between the Technivorm and the Zojirushi is the Zojirushi by a length.  If 
you factor in cost it wins by a lap.
I have measured the brewing water temp of both and found maybe 1 degree 
difference.  However the Zojirushi has a very good quality  insulated brew 
basket and you have infinite brew time adjustments controlled by when you 
place the stainless pot under the basket.  Much better than trying to use 
the crude slider on  the flimsy Technivorm brew basket.   The Zojirushi is a 
very nice machine.  After I tried it I gave the Technivorm away and bought a 
spare Zojirushi in case they ever stop making them.
Wishing you all good coffee,
Ross

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>   1. Re: Technivorm KBTS - 8 your views? (Ira)
>   2. Re: Technivorm KBTS - 8 your views? (Bob Hazen)
>   3. Re: Technivorm KBTS - 8 your views? (Bob Glasscock)
>   4. Re: Technivorm KBTS - 8 your views? (Barry Luterman)
>   5. Re: Technivorm KBTS - 8 your views? (Peter Louton)
>   6. Re: Technivorm KBTS - 8 your views? (Barry Luterman)
>   7. Re: Technivorm KBTS - 8 your views? (raymanowen at gmail.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 10:06:15 -0700
> From: Ira <ira at extrasensory.com>
> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
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> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Technivorm KBTS - 8 your views?
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> At 09:11 AM 8/8/2010, you wrote:
>>The caraf does not keep the coffee hot long enough in my opinion. It
>>will keep it hot for an hour or so. I decant the coffee into a
>>thermos if I'm not going to use it all right away.
>
> When I spoke to Technivorm at the SCAA show they said you should call
> support about this as the coffee should stay hot for hours.
>
> Ira
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 10:20:17 -0700
> From: "Bob Hazen" <peatmonster at comcast.net>
> To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for
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> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Technivorm KBTS - 8 your views?
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> I have a technivorm with the glass caraffe.  I dislike the metallic taste 
> I
> perceive from stainless.  The glass caraffe is easy to clean; easier than
> the stainless caraffe I beleive.  As for keeping coffee warm, I don't - I
> drink it!  The model with the glass caraffe does have a heater.  When the
> pot is done, I immediately turn it off.  That heater will destroy flavor 
> and
> make the coffee turn vile.  I'd rather have cooler coffee than burnt 
> coffee.
> This occurs even with the heater on low.  I've been tempted to disconnect 
> it
> internally.
>
> I have both single- and multiple-hole sprayheads.  After multiple tests, I
> can't see a difference in taste, wetting or temperature in the cone.  From
> my perspective, either one works well.
>
> All in all, I'd say the Technivorm is the best automatic drip brewer I 
> have
> used.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 17:24:01 -0400
> From: "Bob Glasscock" <eglasscock at centurytel.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Technivorm KBTS - 8 your views?
> Message-ID: <20100808172401.jrglhwuhmuos44ow at webmail2.centurytel.net>
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> I have the Moccamaster and like it a lot. I agree the carafe isn't as
> thermally efficient as thermos bottles, but usually the contents are
> gone before that is a problem. I'll have to look into the 9-hole
> sprayhead - that should bring it up to par.
>
> Bob Glasscock
>
>
> Quoting Rbt Tut <rotuts at gmail.com>:
>> Im thinking of getting the Technivorm KBTS - 8 thermal
>> brewer<http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-brewers/technivorm-brewers/technivorm-kbts-8-cup-thermal-brewer.html><http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-brewers/technivorm-brewers/technivorm-kbts-8-cup-thermal-brewer.html>my
>> question is does anyone have one?  on the web there are various 
>> criticisms
>> of the quality of the caraf.
>> also does anyone know what the
>> Technivorm 9 Hole Water
>> Sprayhead<http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-brewers/technivorm-brewers/technivorm-9-hole-water-sprayhead.html>
>> addition is for and is it needed?  there also seem to be some models with 
>> a
>> glass carafe and a ? plastic long probe that goes
>> down into the carafe.
>>
>> many thanks!
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 19:46:45 -0700
> From: Barry Luterman <lutermanb at gmail.com>
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> Some tricks to make the Technivorm function  optimally.
> 1.Rinse the carafe in hot water and fill it with hot water. Leave the
> hot water in the carafe until ready to have brewed coffee drip into
> the carafe.
> 2. As soon as coffee has filled the carafe screw the lid on the
> carafe. When pouring a cup of coffee only loosen the cap 1/4 turn.
> This procedure insures keeping the brew as hot as possible without
> having to reheat it.
> 3. Rinse the paper filter in running water before placing it in the
> brew chamber. Rinsing the paper cleans any paper dust that may be
> adhered to the filter. In addition rinsing the paper will make it
> adhere to the plastic brew chamber and prevent it from collapsing on
> itself and causing a flood of coffee on your counter top.
> 4. Finally, start your brew with the selector on X so that no water
> drips into the carafe. When there is enough water mixed into the
> grounds (approx. 2 cups) stir the brew in the brew chamber to break
> the crust.Open valve to 1/2 open and allow the brew to finish. Cap as
> soon as brew is finished.
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Bob Glasscock <eglasscock at centurytel.net> 
> wrote:
>> I have the Moccamaster and like it a lot. I agree the carafe isn't as
>> thermally efficient as thermos bottles, but usually the contents are gone
>> before that is a problem. I'll have to look into the 9-hole sprayhead - 
>> that
>> should bring it up to par.
>> Bob Glasscock
>>
>>
>> Quoting Rbt Tut <rotuts at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Im thinking of getting the Technivorm KBTS - 8 thermal
>>>
>>> brewer<http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-brewers/technivorm-brewers/technivorm-kbts-8-cup-thermal-brewer.html><http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-brewers/technivorm-brewers/technivorm-kbts-8-cup-thermal-brewer.html>my
>>> question is does anyone have one? ?on the web there are various 
>>> criticisms
>>> of the quality of the caraf. also does anyone know what the
>>> Technivorm 9 Hole Water
>>>
>>> Sprayhead<http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-brewers/technivorm-brewers/technivorm-9-hole-water-sprayhead.html>
>>> addition is for and is it needed? ?there also seem to be some models 
>>> with
>>> a
>>> glass carafe and a ? plastic long probe that goes
>>> down into the carafe.
>>> many thanks!
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> Bob Glasscock
>> Greenville, AL
>>
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 23:43:54 -0400
> From: "Peter Louton" <peter at midwestbicycleworks.com>
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> I love my KBT, but I had so many problems with it overflowing, no matter 
> how I adjusted the grind or the flow valve, so I just removed the flow 
> valve and have not had a problem since.  I agree with the carafe not 
> being very thermal, so I pour it immediately into my Krups carafe and then 
> it is good to go for many hours.  
>
> Get it and enjoy it.
>
> Peter 
>
>
>
> -- Sent from my Palm Pre
> On Aug 8, 2010 22:51, Barry Luterman <lutermanb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Some tricks to make the Technivorm function  optimally.
>
> 1.Rinse the carafe in hot water and fill it with hot water. Leave the
>
> hot water in the carafe until ready to have brewed coffee drip into
>
> the carafe.
>
> 2. As soon as coffee has filled the carafe screw the lid on the
>
> carafe. When pouring a cup of coffee only loosen the cap 1/4 turn.
>
> This procedure insures keeping the brew as hot as possible without
>
> having to reheat it.
>
> 3. Rinse the paper filter in running water before placing it in the
>
> brew chamber. Rinsing the paper cleans any paper dust that may be
>
> adhered to the filter. In addition rinsing the paper will make it
>
> adhere to the plastic brew chamber and prevent it from collapsing on
>
> itself and causing a flood of coffee on your counter top.
>
> 4. Finally, start your brew with the selector on X so that no water
>
> drips into the carafe. When there is enough water mixed into the
>
> grounds (approx. 2 cups) stir the brew in the brew chamber to break
>
> the crust.Open valve to 1/2 open and allow the brew to finish. Cap as
>
> soon as brew is finished.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Bob Glasscock 
> <eglasscock at centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> > I have the Moccamaster and like it a lot. I agree the carafe isn't as
>
> > thermally efficient as thermos bottles, but usually the contents are 
> gone
>
> > before that is a problem. I'll have to look into the 9-hole 
> sprayhead - that
>
> > should bring it up to par.
>
> > Bob Glasscock
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Quoting Rbt Tut <rotuts at gmail.com>:
>
> >>
>
> >> Im thinking of getting the Technivorm KBTS - 8 thermal
>
> >>
>
> >> 
> brewer<http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-brewers/technivorm-brewers/technivorm-kbts-8-cup-thermal-brewer.html><http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-brewers/technivorm-brewers/technivorm-kbts-8-cup-thermal-brewer.html>my
>
> >> question is does anyone have one?  on the web there are 
> various criticisms
>
> >> of the quality of the caraf. also does anyone know what the
>
> >> Technivorm 9 Hole Water
>
> >>
>
> >> 
> Sprayhead<http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-brewers/technivorm-brewers/technivorm-9-hole-water-sprayhead.html>
>
> >> addition is for and is it needed?  there also seem to be 
> some models with
>
> >> a
>
> >> glass carafe and a ? plastic long probe that goes
>
> >> down into the carafe.
>
> >> many thanks!
>
> >> _______________________________________________
>
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> >>
>
> >
>
> > Bob Glasscock
>
> > Greenville, AL
>
> >
>
> >
>
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> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 20:51:28 -0700
> From: Barry Luterman <lutermanb at gmail.com>
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> If the grind is incorrect it will overflow.Wetting the filter and
> getting the correct grind will solve the overflow problem.
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Peter Louton
> <peter at midwestbicycleworks.com> wrote:
>> I love my KBT, but I had so many problems with it overflowing, no matter 
>> how I adjusted the grind or the flow valve, so I just removed the flow 
>> valve and have not had a problem since.  I agree with the carafe not 
>> being very thermal, so I pour it immediately into my Krups carafe and 
>> then it is good to go for many hours.  
>>
>> Get it and enjoy it.
>>
>> Peter 
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Sent from my Palm Pre
>> On Aug 8, 2010 22:51, Barry Luterman <lutermanb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Some tricks to make the Technivorm function ?optimally.
>>
>> 1.Rinse the carafe in hot water and fill it with hot water. Leave the
>>
>> hot water in the carafe until ready to have brewed coffee drip into
>>
>> the carafe.
>>
>> 2. As soon as coffee has filled the carafe screw the lid on the
>>
>> carafe. When pouring a cup of coffee only loosen the cap 1/4 turn.
>>
>> This procedure insures keeping the brew as hot as possible without
>>
>> having to reheat it.
>>
>> 3. Rinse the paper filter in running water before placing it in the
>>
>> brew chamber. Rinsing the paper cleans any paper dust that may be
>>
>> adhered to the filter. In addition rinsing the paper will make it
>>
>> adhere to the plastic brew chamber and prevent it from collapsing on
>>
>> itself and causing a flood of coffee on your counter top.
>>
>> 4. Finally, start your brew with the selector on X so that no water
>>
>> drips into the carafe. When there is enough water mixed into the
>>
>> grounds (approx. 2 cups) stir the brew in the brew chamber to break
>>
>> the crust.Open valve to 1/2 open and allow the brew to finish. Cap as
>>
>> soon as brew is finished.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Bob Glasscock 
>> <eglasscock at centurytel.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I have the Moccamaster and like it a lot. I agree the carafe isn't 
>> as
>>
>> > thermally efficient as thermos bottles, but usually the contents are 
>> gone
>>
>> > before that is a problem. I'll have to look into the 9-hole 
>> sprayhead - that
>>
>> > should bring it up to par.
>>
>> > Bob Glasscock
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Quoting Rbt Tut <rotuts at gmail.com>:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Im thinking of getting the Technivorm KBTS - 8 thermal
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> 
>> brewer<http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-brewers/technivorm-brewers/technivorm-kbts-8-cup-thermal-brewer.html><http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-brewers/technivorm-brewers/technivorm-kbts-8-cup-thermal-brewer.html>my
>>
>> >> question is does anyone have one?  on the web there are 
>> various criticisms
>>
>> >> of the quality of the caraf. also does anyone know what the
>>
>> >> Technivorm 9 Hole Water
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> 
>> Sprayhead<http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-brewers/technivorm-brewers/technivorm-9-hole-water-sprayhead.html>
>>
>> >> addition is for and is it needed?  there also seem to be 
>> some models with
>>
>> >> a
>>
>> >> glass carafe and a ? plastic long probe that goes
>>
>> >> down into the carafe.
>>
>> >> many thanks!
>>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>>
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>> >>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Bob Glasscock
>>
>> > Greenville, AL
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
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> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 00:21:17 -0600
> From: raymanowen at gmail.com
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> Mine has a glass carafe with the Fill-from-the-bottom device.
>>From the start, I followed Tom's brewing tips for the TV.  Following Tom's
> instructions obviates the multi-hole distribution arm, although I presume
> they have one of their own implements, still close the basket valve when
> starting the brew, stir it and open the valve half way.
>
> Then there's Ray's way. Mine dispenses 200? F water, exactly as 
> advertised.
> I don't suppose the water stays at 200? when it drops into 40? grounds* in 
> a
> 70? basket.
>
> Add 40?*+ 70?= 110? light weight stuff. Average with 200? water, get 187? 
> F
> brewing temperature, and that's exactly what I measure. It brews at 187? 
> F,
> max not 200.
> *[Beans are flash frozen for 5 minutes, prior to grinding. Maybe heated a
> little, never get hot or even warm]
>
> I preheat the basket with boiling water (201 - 202? F) but 187? is the
> absolute max I see. Who cares about the ways and means- the taste is
> fabulous without any amendments.
>
> Cheers, Mabuhay, Lloniannau i coffi gwych -RayO, aka Opa!
>
> On the web you will find criticisms of gold bars because they're so 
> heavy...
>
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