[Homeroast] Roasting smoke and birds

Starfinder Stanley coffee at starf.org
Wed Dec 23 10:47:15 CST 2009

Allon, the short answer is that there is no need to worry about the coffee
smoke and your conure.  I'm visiting the inlaws in Key West right now, and
their bird's cage sits in the kitchen, literally next to the Wolf range.
They roast in the kitchen on a (gimpy!) IRoast2 with no venting beyond
switching on the oven hood.  Haven't killed the little vampire yet.  <grin>

Birds do have ultra-efficient respiratory systems (important to maintaining
consciousness while vigorously exercising at high altitudes!) so they are a
lot more sensitive to toxins, and it is definitely a good idea to avoid
fumes and any sorts of toxins.  Regular kitchen smoke is not a problem.  One
thing that is very important to avoid is overheating nonstick teflon (PTFE)
coated cookware, because if heated past about 450 F teflon releases toxic
fumes which WILL cause a lot of problems for birds.  Regular cooking on
teflon is not an issue, but if you put a pan on the stove and forget about
it, you could be in trouble.  I was just visiting a friend yesterday who
breeds dozens of species of birds, monkeys, and other exotic critters and
who cooks on teflon in his bird-filled home without batting an eye ---but
he's also a bit OCD, and would never, ever forget about a pan on the stove
for an instant).  Some people with birds ban teflon from their homes, which
might be overkill but protects the birds from mistakes.  I banned teflon
from my home because I think it leeches toxins into the food, but that's
another story.  Regardless, IMO you can't beat a good seasoned cast iron or
ceramic coated pan like Le Cruset, and if you can't handle the forearm
workout of cooking with the heavy kitchenware, there are some great new
ceramic-on-lightweight-metal non-sticks like the Greenpan with a purely
ceramic 'thermalon' coating that give you pretty good nonstick without the
toxic chemicals.  Don't be mislead by scanpan or swiss diamond pans; both
are teflon with adjunctive technologies that protect the PTFE nonstick
coating from severe scratching, which allows you to use metal tools in the
pans but does nothing to reduce the toxic aspects of the nonstick coating.

Bottom line, your coffee roasting ventilation system sounds completely
adequate, and I'd be more concerned about what else is in the kitchen vis a
vis teflon and cleaning chemicals....

Enjoy the conure, they're fun little birds when they're hand reared and well

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Joseph Robertson <theotherjo at gmail.com>wrote:

> Allon,
> Your taking extra care as it is. If the birdy is affected his behavior will
> show it. Vent like your doing and all should be ok.
> "watch the birdy" <];^)
> JoeR
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Allon Stern <allon at radioactive.org>
> wrote:
> > Okay this may be largely directed at Starfinder, but I welcome anyone
> with
> > experience to chime in :)
> >
> > We're getting a pet bird (Sun Conure). I know birds have very sensitive
> > respiratory systems, and I wanted to see if anyone had any suggestions or
> > thoughts on roasting with a bird in the house. I do much of my roasting
> > outside with a heat gun, but some indoors with my modded IR2 and just
> > recently using the Z&D inside a box with my vent sucking roasting smoke
> to
> > the outside; I've considered a behmor, and may try it with a similar
> set-up.
> >
> > I just hate the idea of anything happening to our new birdy. Am I just
> > being overly cautious, or is there a real risk?
> >
> > current iRoast setup: http://www.radioactive.org/pix/roaster/
> > Tiki bird: http://www.radioactive.org/pix/tiki.jpg
> >
> > -
> > allon
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